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re: Bucks and Magic are boycotting tonight's game UPDATE All games postponed
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:35 am to Bronc
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:35 am to Bronc
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The best rationalization people seem to have for why he should be shot 7 times in the back is that he wasn’t complying and had a criminal record/was not adhering to every letter of the law
Nope. Try again.
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Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:38 am to Bronc
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and thinking they need to just shut up and dribble.
If anything has been proven the last couple days is that Laura Ingraham was 100 percent right.
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 11:41 am
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:47 am to TeddyPadillac
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They can speak out all they want, i don't care. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I don't agree with everyone's opinion, but i have zero problem with anyone speaking out about things they care about. That's what makes this country great. The NBA has allowed them to put stupid arse shite on their jerseys to speak out, put BLM on their court, allowed them to speak about all of this without any fear of retribution from their employer for expressing their beliefs regardless if it hurts their business or not. This is a employer who made a man sell his business b/c he said some racist things. I think it's ridiculous he was forced to sell the team. I also think he's a fricking moron of a human being that deserved what he got b/c of what he said. This same employer fined a player $100k for saying the word fagget. Yet someone hollers out bitch arse white boy and they make excuses for him and quickly sweep it under the run like it was no big deal. If that isn't an employer that stands behind it's black employees, i don't know who is.
And these employees repay them by walking out on the most important financial part of their season. They are just as stupid as the dumb fricks destroying other peoples property that have nothing to do with what they are protesting against. They took a stand at the cost of their employer. That was stupid as frick, and they should be penalized b/c of it, financially.
These guys have all sorts of platforms to speak out, and the resources to help make change in this country. Boycotting their playoffs was fricking stupid, and everyone is laughing at how stupid they are for doing so.
There's a right way to stand up and speak out, and there's a stupid way. Go listen to this man speak. LINK
You clearly do care though, a lot it seems.
You dont want to talk about it, fine, don’t talk about it, but you specifically chose to make performative theater out of my post, and only my post, when the entire thread was political.
And reading more of your thoughts it seems clear why, those thoughts align with yours.
You want them to shut up and dribble and think systemic racism is a joke. You long for a day employers could silence pro athletes(though I wonder if you said the same about Drew Brees?) and consider their protests both pointless and ineffective and yet escalating in response to feeling they are in fact not doing enough is also pointless.
When people were echoing your thoughts, you didnt care, when someone came in pushing back you got triggered.
It’s fine, lets just be honest here and drop the signaling shite.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:49 am to Turbeauxdog
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Nope. Try again.
For someone so convinced I have nothing of substance said, you sure are spending a lot of time trigger reacting to every sentence I put out.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 11:56 am to Bronc
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For someone so convinced I have nothing of substance said, you sure are spending a lot of time trigger reacting to every sentence I put out.
What can I say, I enjoy watching you flail around
Posted on 8/28/20 at 12:05 pm to Townedrunkard
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Feeling threatened by the mob and the police are two entirely different things. The victims that were shot by Riddenhouse were, wait for it, convicts or had numerous arrests. Hell one just got out of jail. They should not be dooling out justice. You are suppose to respect the police. They have to answer to someone, the mob does not. Your ignorance is really showing.....
Again with the staggeringly stupid, contradictory logic.
If someone is out of jail they have done their time, how does the fact someone served time, or has yet to be convicted, make vigilante homicide justifiable? I would love to hear that argument from the freedom loving, obey authority, patriot like yourself.
Furthermore, and once again, you are justifying murder by evoking criminal activity of the victim while completely ignoring the person committing the act you want to defend is actively ignoring the police and breaking the law
To my earlier point, it’s always predictable, because to be internally consistent wouldn’t allow you to draw the sought-after conclusion that the conservative white person is a hero and the black man(of his scummy allies) got his comeuppance.
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You are suppose to respect the police.
I would love to see the Venn diagram of all the TD boi’s that have said this in relation to a black person while elsewhere espousing or upvoting some variation of “by my cold dead hands” if any one comes for their guns.....My guess is it would be a circle
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 8/28/20 at 12:18 pm to Bronc
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actively ignoring the police
Lulz
Posted on 8/28/20 at 12:19 pm to Bronc
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because to be internally consistent wouldn’t allow you to draw the sought-after conclusion that the conservative white person is a hero and the black man(of his scummy allies) got his comeuppance.
Nah.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 12:24 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Lulz
You’re right, he was only ignoring the ordinance, the police were, in reality, never going to care about a likely illegally armed white supremacist breaking their curfew, in fact, they were giving him and his friends pep talks, keeping them hydrated, and funneling protestors to them while he did it, my mistake.
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 8/28/20 at 12:35 pm to Bronc
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You dont want to talk about it, fine, don’t talk about it, but you specifically chose to make performative theater out of my post, and only my post, when the entire thread was political.
I did nothing of a sort. I told EVERYONE to shut the frick up. You chose to fight back with me about shutting the frick up. I pointed out that the arguing by everyone about politics and race should be done elsewhere. I gave examples of the types of replies i'd like to see in this thread, things that i actually would like to know more about.
How does this affect the CBA? Can the owners void it and start a new one b/c of this?
How does this affect the salary cap? Kind of a big one. This one will undoubtedly affect FA, which is another question.
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You want them to shut up and dribble and think systemic racism is a joke.
You fricking right i want them to shut the frick up and dribble, WHEN THEY ARE PLAYING A BASKETBALL GAME. They can speak out about whatever the frick they want off the court, and they do, and i support their right to, whether i agree with it or not. It doesn't matter if i think it's a joke or not. I'm not hear to talk about it, but you can't shut the frick up about it for some reason. If i wanted to talk about it, i'd do it on the proper board.
WHen i go to Whataburger you know what i want? A fricking hamburger. You know what i don't want? To hear the persons opinions on social justice, or politics, or religion, or basically anything at all instead of making my hamburger. Just make my fricking hamburger and give it to me. If i go to a concert, i want to hear music, not what the musician thinks about politics. If i cared about anyone elses opinion on all these things, i'd get a twatter account and follow them. I don't care about Lebron's opinions on non-basketball related things. I don't care about Drew Bree's opinions on non-football related things. I don't care about Tom Hanks opinions about non-movies. My employer doesn't care about my opinions about non-work related things either, just that i do my job the right way. When you're at work, do work. When you're on your own time, do whatever the frick you want. This isn't 1960 anymore. If i wanted to follow Lebron or Brees on what they do away from the court/field, i can very easily do that. Their job is to entertain patrons of their sport. Do your job. Do whatever the frick you want when you're not at work. It's a free country.
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You long for a day employers could silence pro athletes(though I wonder if you said the same about Drew Brees?) and consider their protests both pointless and ineffective and yet escalating in response to feeling they are in fact not doing enough is also pointless.
what in the frick are you talking about? I support every american's right to speak out and protest if they feel that's what needs to be done. As i said before there's a right way to protest and a wrong way. There's also consequences for the things you do and say, regardless if you think you're right or not.
What i long for is for you to shut the frick up about this and tell me if you think we should draft one of the SF's available or a PG like Cole Anthoney or Kira Lewis.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 12:39 pm to Bronc
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You’re right, he was only ignoring the ordinance, the police were, in reality, never going to care about a likely illegally armed white supremacist breaking their curfew, in fact, they were giving him and his friends pep talks, keeping them hydrated, and funneling protestors to them while he did it, my mistake.
It’s like every character you type puts up points on my side of the scoreboard
Posted on 8/28/20 at 12:45 pm to Turbeauxdog
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It’s like every character you type puts up points on my side of the scoreboard
You would have to actually articulate something to put points on that board.
You are just trigger posting insults because, apparently, someone with an alternate opinion has either triggered you so bad it has taken away your ability to articulate a coherent response, or you were only ever capable of repeating racist talking points, espousing insults, and relying on the TD mob to back you up.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 12:56 pm to TeddyPadillac
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You fricking right i want them to shut the frick up and dribble, WHEN THEY ARE PLAYING A BASKETBALL GAME. They can speak out about whatever the frick they want off the court, and they do, and i support their right to, whether i agree with it or not. It doesn't matter if i think it's a joke or not. I'm not hear to talk about it, but you can't shut the frick up about it for some reason. If i wanted to talk about it, i'd do it on the proper board.
WHen i go to Whataburger you know what i want? A fricking hamburger. You know what i don't want? To hear the persons opinions on social justice, or politics, or religion, or basically anything at all instead of making my hamburger. Just make my fricking hamburger and give it to me. If i go to a concert, i want to hear music, not what the musician thinks about politics. If i cared about anyone elses opinion on all these things, i'd get a twatter account and follow them. I don't care about Lebron's opinions on non-basketball related things. I don't care about Drew Bree's opinions on non-football related things. I don't care about Tom Hanks opinions about non-movies. My employer doesn't care about my opinions about non-work related things either, just that i do my job the right way. When you're at work, do work. When you're on your own time, do whatever the frick you want. This isn't 1960 anymore. If i wanted to follow Lebron or Brees on what they do away from the court/field, i can very easily do that. Their job is to entertain patrons of their sport. Do your job. Do whatever the frick you want when you're not at work. It's a free country.
It’s a free country.....says employees should be dominated by corporate overlords and have no rights in their workplace, even if their boss agrees/encourages it, even if they have the ability to leverage themselves.
Quite the corporatist bootlicking philosophy you got there. The Bezos class would be proud!
Listen, like I said, plenty of other threads to frequent, you all started this political shite, literally laughing at their cause, so quit crying when people push back. And lets not rewrite history, you quoted us, those pushing back to go off on your rant. You were radio silent for days as people pumped Trump and piled onto the sentiments you had.
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what in the frick are you talking about? I support every american's right to speak out and protest if they feel that's what needs to be done. As i said before there's a right way to protest and a wrong way. There's also consequences for the things you do and say, regardless if you think you're right or not.
....Except if they speak out in a way you don’t approve of.
Always the wrong way to protest though isn’t i? So what is the right way? Seems a knee was too triggering, words on a jersey too in-your-face, riots uncouth, a peaceful gathering unjustified and disrupting.
Seems to me the consequence right now is the player’s got every team to open up their stadiums as voting hubs to combat voter suppression efforts on the part of the federal government, leveraging the NBA’s infrastructure to help people vote.
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 8/28/20 at 1:10 pm to Bronc
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You would have to actually articulate something to put points on that board.
You are just trigger posting insults because, apparently, someone with an alternate opinion has either triggered you so bad it has taken away your ability to articulate a coherent response, or you were only ever capable of repeating racist talking points, espousing insults, and relying on the TD mob to back you up.
One of my favorite fails from progressives is when they try to use words that hurt them against others.
Like triggered.
Posted on 8/28/20 at 1:18 pm to Bronc
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It’s a free country.....says employees should be dominated by corporate overlords and have no rights in their workplace, even if their boss agrees/encourages it, even if they have the ability to leverage themselves.
Yep that's what i said. Be dominated by corporate overlords.
You got some issues man.
I do'nt want the NBA to silence them. I want them to play basketball. If my employer told me to not talk about politics on the job, then i wouldn't. If i didn't like it, i'd get a new job. Who am i to tell a private business what to do? There are so many options for everything in this country. It's what makes this country great. We don't all have to be exactly alike. It's a huge country that's set up perfectly to allow different regions, states, and cities to be their own. People that want to change things b/c they don't agree with what these people are doing are annoying and stupid. Keep Austin weird. keep Talladega redneck. If you like it, go there, if you don't, shut the frick up and let them be them.
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Listen, like I said, plenty of other threads to frequent, you all started this political shite, literally laughing at their cause, so quit crying when people push back.
I didn't literally laugh at their cause. I laughed at how stupid their decision to make the specific stand of boycotting their game to somehow support their cause was, and how they were blind to how this affected not only their employer, but themselves financially.
If i was such a bigot racist like you think i am, i wouldn't have watched all 8 games in the bubble, and i wouldn't have watched Luka's awesome game 4, or Mitchell and Murray put up 50+ each in a great dual. I have had multiple people tell me to turn that shite off b/c they see Black Lives Matter on the court. I don't even see it, b/c i'm watching the basketball game.
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....Except if they speak out in a way you don’t approve of.
At no point have i ever said that. You have made a ton of assumptions in just about every post towards me.
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Always the wrong way to protest with you all, so what is the right way?
Walking out on your employer, who has been wonderful for you and stood behind you, is the wrong way.
Saying you want to be able to put social justice crap on your jersey, is the right way.
Peacefully protesting on streets you've been permitted to protest on, is the right way.
Blocking federal highways and destroying property is the wrong way.
You didn't watch the video of the speech i linked did you?
Posted on 8/28/20 at 1:25 pm to Bronc
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Still got nothing, huh?
I’m allowing you to boat race yourself. Effortless
Posted on 8/28/20 at 1:46 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Yep that's what i said. Be dominated by corporate overlords.
You got some issues man.
I do'nt want the NBA to silence them. I want them to play basketball. If my employer told me to not talk about politics on the job, then i wouldn't. If i didn't like it, i'd get a new job. Who am i to tell a private business what to do? There are so many options for everything in this country. It's what makes this country great. We don't all have to be exactly alike. It's a huge country that's set up perfectly to allow different regions, states, and cities to be their own. People that want to change things b/c they don't agree with what these people are doing are annoying and stupid. Keep Austin weird. keep Talladega redneck. If you like it, go there, if you don't, shut the frick up and let them be them.
Lot of silly exceptionalism in here, but if the larger part about freedom of speech was all this was, there wouldn’t be much contention. But your initial posts reeked of venerating corporate dominance and resentment toward black people using their platform and unique leverage in subversion of that dynamic. With a sense of entitlement that your view of things(sports devoid of politics, even though that has never been the case) is some divine right that makes any deviation morally invalid.
NBA players, unique to pretty much every profession in this country, actually have some damn strong labor rights. Something that has not only eroded in this country and contributed to the enormous gaps in wealth we see, but has been absorbed by many as a divine societal good to be held up as a virtue. In that context, NBA players that actually have leverage as a labor force, and their platforms, have the unique ability to leverage their collective power to push societal and systemic change. Frankly, I don’t think they do enough, but to call it silly when it continues to yield results is just factually incorrect, and, IMO, speaks to the toxic rot in the way some deify capital side dominance on their lives.
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I didn't literally laugh at their cause. I laughed at how stupid their decision to make the specific stand of boycotting their game to somehow support their cause was, and how they were blind to how this affected not only their employer, but themselves financially. If i was such a bigot racist like you think i am, i wouldn't have watched all 8 games in the bubble, and i wouldn't have watched Luka's awesome game 4, or Mitchell and Murray put up 50+ each in a great dual. I have had multiple people tell me to turn that shite off b/c they see Black Lives Matter on the court. I don't even see it, b/c i'm watching the basketball game.
I don’’t think any of them are blind to how it affects things financially, in fact, I would argue they are so in tune many of them will gladly choose money over the causes they claim to hold dear. While others are very clear they are willing to walk away to force larger points and hopefully jumpstart change. In this case, just threatening and boycotting one game has resulted in the NBA, in it’s entirety, logistically and financially repurposing their venues to create additional polling stations and help Americans vote. Call it what you want, but I’d call it effective. More than words on a jersey have been at least.
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Walking out on your employer, who has been wonderful for you and stood behind you, is the wrong way.
Striking, has, in fact, historically, been one of the most powerful ways progress has been made in this country.
Lots of employees right now have been nothing but great to their employers, yet millions were told to take cuts so they could reassure their stockholders and CEO’s keep their money flowing by cutting one of the most readily available and reducible costs in a downturn, which is payroll, have had their hours or pay permanently reduced, or are being let go without severance or notice. Lots of employers leverage their capital and power to lobby for things not directly tied to their business but for which they care about throughout larger society, often using their business as a resource to achieve it.
I would guess you would call that the reality of business, and I would agree, and also argue, we as a society determine the rules we are governed by, and in that same vein, labor, where they have the power, have every right to do the same. And if you find one morally defensible and not the other, perhaps it’s time to rethink some of your first principles.
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Saying you want to be able to put social justice crap on your jersey, is the right way. Peacefully protesting on streets you've been permitted to protest on, is the right way.
And when that doesn’t work? When those that have the power don’t listen, what next?
This post was edited on 8/28/20 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 8/28/20 at 2:10 pm to Bronc
quote:I don't even know who the racist is you're even talking about here. Are you talking about the 17 year old shooter? If so, can you clarify what makes him racist?
and in one instance you have the racist defending the racist as a patriot
Maybe there's parts of the story I missed, but I'm not even sure where race is coming into play in the 17 year old story.
Also, of course there are racist people yelling from the rooftops but i'll say pretty directly if you're saying that anyone who thinks both of those shootings were justified is racist then you are absolutely part of the problem we have in America today. These things are nuanced, not black and white(no pun intended) and to just do the painting with a broad brush and calling everyone who disagrees with your opinion racist is just being irrational. Again, not saying you did that, but it seems that's what I'm getting from your post.
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