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Amp Recs: Fender Champion vs. Marshall CODE
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:50 am
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:50 am
In the market for new amp, seeking feedback. Primarily for home practice but with enough muscle for use with full band, maybe a small venue. I play a little of everything.
Fender Champion 100 2x12 combo (100w) - $350
Marshall CODE 100 head (100w) - $400
w/ Marshall CODE 412 4x12 cab (120w) - $300
Anybody have experience with one or both want to chime in? Marshall has the edge on effects, but moot as I’ll have external also. How do these compare in terms of power and sound quality? I think I’d be paying double for the Marshall name - is it justified?
The Fender price is appealing, but also open to other suggestions in the same $350-600 range and power range.
Fender Champion 100 2x12 combo (100w) - $350
Marshall CODE 100 head (100w) - $400
w/ Marshall CODE 412 4x12 cab (120w) - $300
Anybody have experience with one or both want to chime in? Marshall has the edge on effects, but moot as I’ll have external also. How do these compare in terms of power and sound quality? I think I’d be paying double for the Marshall name - is it justified?
The Fender price is appealing, but also open to other suggestions in the same $350-600 range and power range.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 10:26 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
I have the Fender Champion 100, been playing it several times a week for over a year. Clean tones are superb, as close to a Twin as I've ever heard with a solid state amp. The on-board effects are pretty good, but the overdrive can get a bit "fizzy" for my taste. I prefer the "Blackface" settings with a Danelectro Pride of Texas pedal for more drive. It's surprsingly powerful, with a ton of headdroom.
I've played around with a Code a couple of times, it just seemed pretty thin sounding. I couldn't crank it, maybe it's better with more volume.
ETA...I played a Code combo, I'm sure the head/cab is much better.
I've played around with a Code a couple of times, it just seemed pretty thin sounding. I couldn't crank it, maybe it's better with more volume.
ETA...I played a Code combo, I'm sure the head/cab is much better.
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 10:29 am
Posted on 1/25/19 at 12:37 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
I think this choice hinges on whether or not you're going to be overdriven more than 25 or 30 percent of the time OR if you prioritize clean tones over dirty.
If the former, I would lean towards the Marshall (unless the cost is a deal breaker). Otherwise, I lean Fender, anyway, and the clean tone is unquestionably better on it.
If the former, I would lean towards the Marshall (unless the cost is a deal breaker). Otherwise, I lean Fender, anyway, and the clean tone is unquestionably better on it.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 10:44 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
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Marshall CODE 100 head (100w) - $400
w/ Marshall CODE 412 4x12 cab (120w) - $300
I just bought these a few weeks ago. The head was only $350 from Sweetwater. My previous setup was a 130W Peavey head with 2 4x12 cabinets. I originally wanted a full stack for the Marshall, but apparently it's only made to be played with 1 cabinet. So far I have around 20 custom presets that I found online for some of my favorite songs (stuff from Metallica, AC/DC. Judas Priest, etc.). I don't know anything about the Fender you're looking at, but what makes the Marshall Code awesome is the variety of tools online, through bluetooth, etc. I also bought the additional footswitch for $65 that lets you store 30 presets in it (as opposed to the one it comes with that just lets you scroll up or down through the presets).
I used both my.marshall.com and especially marshallcode.tools to download custom presets. You have to sort through them because some that people have created don't sound like what they are supposed to, but it just takes a few seconds to try them out on your amp before you decide whether or not to save it. Some of the custom presets are really good though. And of course there are the 100 presets that come loaded in the amp already, or you can create your own, or you can tweak any of them to improve them.
I don't play with a band, I just play by myself in my gameroom (which is a converted double garage). The amp cranks for damn sure. There is a master volume and a volume for within the presets. If I crank it to 4 it will blow me out the room. Plenty power and likes to be cranked - it can sound thin or "hollow" at very low volume, but if you crank it to decent volume it has very full sound. My only complaint is that the the sound with the single cabinet is "directional". I'll try to explain what I mean. With my old Peavey with the full stack, it seemed like the sound was the same pretty much anywhere in the room when I moved around. With the Marshall, the true tone and sound has a sweet spot at a certain distance directly in front of the cabinet (actually 2 sweet spots at 2 separate distances since the bottom speakers are angled). If you step to the side a few feet, it sounds muffled compared to standing in line with the speakers. Same if you are too close or too far. My amp is positioned diagonally, and if I go stand on the other side of the room, then it actually sounds fuller because the sound deflects off a wall over 20 feet away then bounces back to the other half of the room and spreads out more.
Regarding Sweetwater, shipping was even a couple days quicker than it was supposed to be (and shipping was free when I ordered around Christmas). My speaker cabinet had some slight damage to it on arrival. They actually sent a new one right away and only asked that I return the old one within 14 days after the new one arrived. They didn't force me to be without my cabinet at all and sent a prepaid shipping label for the return. The amp had no issues and I bought 2 guitars that also arrived without issues.
If you have any questions, I'd be happy to answer.
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I think I’d be paying double for the Marshall name - is it justified?
Personally I find the Marshall to be incredibly cheap for the amazing things and the variety that it can do.
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 10:49 pm
Posted on 1/25/19 at 11:03 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
You may want to check this amp out.
Bugera V22 all tube amp. Great sounding amp, and it will keep up with a pretty loud drummer as well.
Bugera V22
A 22 watt tube amp can get pretty damn loud, and have tons more headroom than a solid state amp.
You can definitely gig clubs with this amp.
Bugera V22 all tube amp. Great sounding amp, and it will keep up with a pretty loud drummer as well.
Bugera V22
A 22 watt tube amp can get pretty damn loud, and have tons more headroom than a solid state amp.
You can definitely gig clubs with this amp.
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 1/26/19 at 12:47 am to midnight1961
I haven’t checked out either of those, but if they’re amps with master volume/preamp then try this.
Crank the master full on, and use the gain setting on the preamp to set your overall volume. This pushes your power tubes to capacity, and that’s where you’ll actually hear more nuance and responsiveness in your tone. It won’t sound as distorted but it will sound huge.
Also, does either amp have an effects loop?
Crank the master full on, and use the gain setting on the preamp to set your overall volume. This pushes your power tubes to capacity, and that’s where you’ll actually hear more nuance and responsiveness in your tone. It won’t sound as distorted but it will sound huge.
Also, does either amp have an effects loop?
Posted on 1/26/19 at 2:59 am to Kcprogguitar
You can get a really good used tube amp for 700 bucks.
Posted on 1/27/19 at 5:38 pm to AmosMosesAndTwins
The Champion is very well regarded in the home/practice amp market. And the price is almost too good to be true.
but why the 212? a 212 fender amp is LOUD, even solid state. There are very few situations where the 112 won't cut it.
but why the 212? a 212 fender amp is LOUD, even solid state. There are very few situations where the 112 won't cut it.
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