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re: The Prometheus (Major Spoiler) Discussion Thread
Posted on 6/8/12 at 10:35 pm to Josh Fenderman
Posted on 6/8/12 at 10:35 pm to Josh Fenderman
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I don't think we know it gave rise to anything but humans. .
Do we not share common ancestors with apes in this universe?
Serious question.
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Posted on 6/8/12 at 10:52 pm to HideChaKidz
Do you think the engineers share common ancestors with monkeys in the alien universe?
Posted on 6/8/12 at 11:02 pm to Josh Fenderman
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Do you think the engineers share common ancestors with monkeys in the alien universe?
I don't know... is this question answered in the Alien/Aliens films? I really don't know much about the Alien canon, which is why I asked the question.
My point was, that if we have DNA match with the Engineer, and we also have common ancestry with apes, doesn't it mean that both apes and humans came from the engineer?
Unless we are not evolved from apes in this universe, which was my original question.
This post was edited on 6/8/12 at 11:04 pm
Posted on 6/8/12 at 11:24 pm to GeauxUtes
I saw it tonight as well.
All in all, I liked it. Not better than Alien or Aliens but it was still a decent movie.
I'll be honest though, it wasn't what I thought it was going to be.
When they get to the planet or whatever, they show that it's LV-233.
In Aliens, it's revealed that it's LV-426 that the Nostromo set down on and many years later, was colonized by terraformers.
So the LV-233 thing made me wonder. And when they show the Space Jockey getting ready to blast off in his ship, I knew it wasn't the same Space Jockey that Capt. Dallas and crew find in the movie Alien.
It just left a lot of extra time from the end of the film to the beginning of Alien.
All in all, I liked it. Not better than Alien or Aliens but it was still a decent movie.
I'll be honest though, it wasn't what I thought it was going to be.
When they get to the planet or whatever, they show that it's LV-233.
In Aliens, it's revealed that it's LV-426 that the Nostromo set down on and many years later, was colonized by terraformers.
So the LV-233 thing made me wonder. And when they show the Space Jockey getting ready to blast off in his ship, I knew it wasn't the same Space Jockey that Capt. Dallas and crew find in the movie Alien.
It just left a lot of extra time from the end of the film to the beginning of Alien.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 11:29 pm to la_birdman
Does anyone remember what year Alien takes place in?
Posted on 6/8/12 at 11:32 pm to Hogtastic Voyage
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Does anyone remember what year Alien takes place in?
It don't believe it was ever said in the movie.
It just gave the name of the ship, how many member crew, payload, destination.
I did ask myself the same question while I watched Prometheus though. It has to be several hundred years later, maybe even a millenium later.
Edit: Per Wikipedia, says it was set in 2122. This one was in 2094.
This post was edited on 6/8/12 at 11:34 pm
Posted on 6/8/12 at 11:35 pm to la_birdman
Now we're getting somewhere. I understand everything. Only 1 thing could have happened in those 28 years.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 11:38 pm to HideChaKidz
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Unless we are not evolved from apes in this universe, which was my original question.
I haven't seen anything alien related either except for the movies, and this is kinda what I am leaning towards.
Someone who has read comics or other stuff, do the engineers look the same in those as they did in Prometheus?
This post was edited on 6/8/12 at 11:42 pm
Posted on 6/8/12 at 11:41 pm to Hogtastic Voyage
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Only 1 thing could have happened in those 28 years.
What would that be?
Posted on 6/8/12 at 11:44 pm to la_birdman
I'm being sarcastic. The movie was ok, but I'm not a fan of this 2 hour movie, then I'm supposed to figure out what it meant, crap.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 11:48 pm to HideChaKidz
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I really hope there's a sequel to explain some of this.
I'll probably take some flack for this, but I don't think there will/should be a sequel.
Posted on 6/8/12 at 11:48 pm to Hogtastic Voyage
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I'm being sarcastic.
Oh ok.
I was really asking. I'm guessing that the primitive Alien that popped out of the Space Jockey at the end runs around and gets on another one of those ships, David said there were several and attacks another Space Jockey guy. Then it gets more dna or whatever to look like the Alien in the movie Alien.
Finds the cave, lays all the eggs Kane finds, etc....
And with it so cold at night I guess in 28 years that particular Space Jockey's body would freeze right into that chair and such, like when they find him in Alien.
Anyway, wasn't what I thought it would be but I still was entertained.
This post was edited on 6/8/12 at 11:49 pm
Posted on 6/9/12 at 12:00 am to la_birdman
These 3 images are cool and I didn't notice it last night. This takes place in the tomb with the containers with black goo. The mural that includes the queen like xenomorph, and do you see that face hugger in the bottom right? There weren't fully seen in prometheus but are seen in Alien and so on.
obviously this
Kinda raises more questions for me. Like did the mala'kak's actually worship them, what was their relationship? Was it more of a sacrificial thing towards the queen? If they were bio weapons why would such a mural exist? And if the first xenomorph hadn't formed yet (if you see the ending supposedly many people are deducing that's the FIRST generation since it doesn't quite look the same as in Alien (more reptilian), why is it in full display right there in the mural, a full grown looking queen?
obviously this
Kinda raises more questions for me. Like did the mala'kak's actually worship them, what was their relationship? Was it more of a sacrificial thing towards the queen? If they were bio weapons why would such a mural exist? And if the first xenomorph hadn't formed yet (if you see the ending supposedly many people are deducing that's the FIRST generation since it doesn't quite look the same as in Alien (more reptilian), why is it in full display right there in the mural, a full grown looking queen?
This post was edited on 6/9/12 at 12:04 am
Posted on 6/9/12 at 12:08 am to markasaurus
Cool pics! I saw that mural and the Alien on it but I didn't notice the face hugger.
Very interesting.
It does seem to be a Queen with those big boney processes above the head. I didn't notice that when I was watching the movie.
I just noticed an Alien.
Very interesting.
It does seem to be a Queen with those big boney processes above the head. I didn't notice that when I was watching the movie.
I just noticed an Alien.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 12:15 am to markasaurus
Well since it was only 28 years between prometheus and the first Alien movie, I'm glad they're not trying to call that creature at the end of the movie a precursor to xenomorphs. WOuld be kind of hard to explain how they evolved into another species so quickly... any explanation would really cheapen the whole ancient aura that the movies built.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 12:32 am to HideChaKidz
I see no point in the "little mouth" not popping out of the aliens head at the end, except we all thought it was going to so it didn't.
Posted on 6/9/12 at 12:45 am to Hogtastic Voyage
That head above the alien queen head on the mural looks like the predator mask huh? Ha I keep seeing it anyway!
Doubt that's what it is since those 2 movies were god awful (maybe there was more AvP's i dunno).
Funny when my girlfriend and I were walking out last night she goes "ya know for being like 70 years from now, those scientists clothing style/attire didn't change very much". Talking about what they were wearing during the discovery dig scene on Earth
Doubt that's what it is since those 2 movies were god awful (maybe there was more AvP's i dunno).
Funny when my girlfriend and I were walking out last night she goes "ya know for being like 70 years from now, those scientists clothing style/attire didn't change very much". Talking about what they were wearing during the discovery dig scene on Earth
This post was edited on 6/9/12 at 12:53 am
Posted on 6/9/12 at 1:02 am to GeauxUtes
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(2) According to Prometheus, the Engineers/Space Jockeys were preparing to depart for Earth in order to destroy it when thinsg went awry. Per Shaw's carbon dating, the Engineers in the stone dome had been dead approximately 2000 years. Yet the cave glyphs on Earth had been "inviting" humanity to sojourn to the Prometheus system for at least 35,000 years. Why were the Engineers "inviting" humanity to what was apparently a weapons depot (or at least the system where a weapons depot was located) if they could have just demolished earth at any point in time, as they apparently intended to do? What's the purpose of the invitation?
I dont remember anything really saying that was what they were going to do. It seems like they just all a sudden jumped to the conclusion that that was the plan. Maybe the big guy thought they were planning to steal the creatures and he wanted to get them away from the humans.
Pertaining to the opening scene. That had to occur damm near 1 billion+ years ago since that was the time that life started to appear on Earth in its most primative forms. That would mean that these guys' race are countless years old. Who knows what changes were made in their plans from the time they planted life on Earth and then billion year gap between then and the movie.
I say this assuming that the man at the beginning seeded the planet with DNA itself which, over time, created the most basic life forms and then led to Humans since in the whole opening scene there is no sign of any other form of life at all.
This post was edited on 6/9/12 at 1:06 am
Posted on 6/9/12 at 2:13 am to GeauxUtes
Saw it at 6 tonight... Thought it was a solid movie... But the beginning with the poison confused me.... Also I thought the ending with the alien was forced, like they thought oh snap we should add this in because this is what people expect
Posted on 6/9/12 at 3:11 am to Wooly
Reading this thread, it seems like the most common complaint is that it wasn't what you expected.
That's not a legitimate complaint.
You should never have preconceived notions of a film going into it.
They told us the film was in the same universe as Alien, but it was never meant to be a direct prequel.
When Ridley Scott decided not to direct the sequel to Alien, he expected the next guys (Cameron, Fincher, etc.) to pursue the Space Jockey angle.
Instead, they pursued the Xenomorph angle.
Anyway, I really liked it.
I'm kinda glad it didn't answer all the questions.
I was concerned the film wouldn't make sense (that's almost what the critics implied), but it did.
I think there was more than one biological weapon on that planet.
One was the precursor to the xenomorph.
Another seemed to change the physiology of the infected.
I'm not fully understanding it all, but I'm still riveted watching.
The characters don't understand either.
I mean, would you expect these explorers to learn all the answers they wanted in just a few days?
And I don't think they ever claimed it was a 100% match between DNAs.
It can't be.
I think it just showed a serious connection between humans and engineers.
That's not a legitimate complaint.
You should never have preconceived notions of a film going into it.
They told us the film was in the same universe as Alien, but it was never meant to be a direct prequel.
When Ridley Scott decided not to direct the sequel to Alien, he expected the next guys (Cameron, Fincher, etc.) to pursue the Space Jockey angle.
Instead, they pursued the Xenomorph angle.
Anyway, I really liked it.
I'm kinda glad it didn't answer all the questions.
I was concerned the film wouldn't make sense (that's almost what the critics implied), but it did.
I think there was more than one biological weapon on that planet.
One was the precursor to the xenomorph.
Another seemed to change the physiology of the infected.
I'm not fully understanding it all, but I'm still riveted watching.
The characters don't understand either.
I mean, would you expect these explorers to learn all the answers they wanted in just a few days?
And I don't think they ever claimed it was a 100% match between DNAs.
It can't be.
I think it just showed a serious connection between humans and engineers.
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