re: TF2: "it carves out its own category of godawfulnes"

and another thing. if you MUST go see it, dont see it at 9 or later, youll get very sleepy and not want to do jack crap when the movie is over except go home and go to bed. it ruined my saturday night

I missed those. I personally didn't see the big deal with TDK. It was a good movie though. I didn't see it until January. Maybe I was expecting too much because of all the hype it got last summer.

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I think that's because they have no expectations for JOE. However, they did have expectations for this and are too embarrassed to admit that they wasted their hard earned money on it...

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I went into Transformers 2 expecting to be entertained and/or able to pick apart another mindless Michael Bay movie afterward with my fanboy friend. I got both. This was Bay's magnum opus right on the cusp of his supposed change in style. Michael Ba-ba-SPLOOM lived up to his billing, which is a director who explores a typically marginally coherent plot through ridiculous explosions and other assorted special effects. I don't see how anyone could expect something more. I like to watch impeccable movies without giant robots destroying aircraft carriers but sometimes it's just as much fun to watch those giant robots punch each other to death without that fitting into a quality storyline, and especially when that storyline is rife with absurdity. Maybe it was just the group of people next to me shouting the entire movie, I don't know.