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re: My Biggest Beefs With Breaking Bad

Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:48 am to
Posted by Feral
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:48 am to
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I only found Jesse Pinkman to be believable in very few spots. I thought he was tolerable and believable towards the end of season 4, but pretty much other than that I thought he was overacted, not believable, and generally terrible. And it appears that I'm like the only person in the world who thinks this.



Meh, I thought this at first, but think about this -- Jessie is an uneducated, high school dropout tweaker. People like that IRL are loud, obnoxious and make bad decisions just like he did. That's sort of like saying the guy who played Tuco was overacting.

Basically, by "overacting," Aaron Paul played him right on the money.
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 11:50 am
Posted by Feral
Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:55 am to
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One of the gripes i had with the show were the characters(some, like skylar, were simply unlikeable, others like marie and JR were poorly written)


I honestly think their aim was to make Skylar a sympathetic character, but that backfired miserably.

I think Marie and Walter Jr. were my least favorite characters in the show, which is odd because they're pretty much the only two characters who are likable and have a conscience. That's probably because, like you said, they just weren't very well written.

Walter Jr. was pretty much the A.J. Soprano of Breaking Bad.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 11:57 am to
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I think Marie and Walter Jr. were my least favorite characters in the show, which is odd because they're pretty much the only two characters who are likable and have a conscience.
Marie was a hypocritical twat.
Posted by Feral
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 12:00 pm to
Meh, I didn't care for her, but it seemed like they wanted her to be the (somewhat) likable counter to Skylar once she became universally hated.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 12:29 pm to
If they wanted her likable, they either wrote her terribly or the acting was completely off.
Posted by say when
Member since Mar 2015
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:37 pm to
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Hank is supposed to be great at his job. He was able to make the connection to walter because of the initials in a book. Yet he overlooked the beakers in the first or second season.Hank Investigated the beakers and found out they were school property. property that only Walter had access to. When you brother is Genius Level Chemist with a connection to your evidence you don't over look it or dismiss it.


I thought the same thing here too.
Posted by TheOcean
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:47 pm to
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SystemsGo


What do we have to do to get this account banned, bobbyray?*






















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*your footnote shtick is worse than your posting
Posted by Superior Pariah
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:56 pm to
I could get past your alliteration
Posted by Dignan
Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 1:56 pm to
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What do we have to do to get this account banned, bobbyray?


Punch out an FSU coed in a bar?
Posted by SystemsGo
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:40 pm to
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There's something to be said for execution as well. Suppose I'm a great, veteran chef, and I have a natural talent for cooking. I become friends with some hack and show him the ropes. We work in a restaurant for a few years together. At the end of our time together, he knows most of what I know, all the recipes and steps to get from the ingredients to the plated meal, but my food is still superior to his because he just can't execute the cooking with the same skill as someone with decades of experience.


I agree with your chef example, but I think that preparing great dishes is as much of an art as a science. And I think cooking meth is 100% a science.
Posted by SystemsGo
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:43 pm to
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I really don't see how this is a complaint. A new surgeon can assist a tenured one for years and not be as good at it as the old guy.



I don't think the surgeon analogy works.
Posted by SystemsGo
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:51 pm to
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Uhh, Walt has a PhD in chemistry, and has umpteen years of experience, this is how he can always be better at making meth than Jesse.

I have worked in research labs for several years and have seen people following the exact same protocols and there will always be a difference in quality between two individuals. That's just how it is. Walter white was a chemist, for example he knew that if the room temperature or humidity was different it would effect the purity of his meth.

Jesse knew how to follow Walt's recipe. That is the difference in the two.


I suppose I could be wrong, but I still don't see how a cook by Jesse, after so many cooks with Walt, would differ in any way from a cook that they did together. The process, as it was portrayed in the show, did not at any point appear to require minor tweaks baed on this or that that required quick decision making. Nor did it appear to require any "skill" in the manner that you would associate with a surgeon. Just a meticulous, repeatable process.
Posted by STLhog
Nashville, TN
Member since Jan 2015
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:54 pm to
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I agree with your chef example, but I think that preparing great dishes is as much of an art as a science. And I think cooking meth is 100% a science.


Uh why? Just cuz it fricks people up? Why can't it be art?

You honestly just need to get over that point of your complaint. There's been masters and apprentices in every "process" for centuries. The master is usually a fuggin master for a reason.

There's hundreds of things Jesse could do differently that may effect it compared to how Walt does it. How he empties such and such vile/bin/test tube/beaker etc etc. I mean literally it could change the chemistry the way he drops something from a dropper compared to Walt.

I compare it more to baking than anything. There's always a recipe or a "process" but some people absolutely suck at it.

Just ask a woman that can't quite hit her mother's recipe. For whatever reason it's always less pure my friend.
This post was edited on 7/7/15 at 2:59 pm
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:55 pm to
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I don't think the surgeon analogy works.


You're right. It's not a large enough gap in talent. A more apt comparison would be if a scrub nurse attempted the same surgery after observing and handing tools for years.
Posted by SystemsGo
Member since Oct 2014
2774 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:56 pm to
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What do we have to do to get this account banned, bobbyray?*


Not sure who bobbyray is, but if you want to get somebody banned just start a thread on the help board. Any retard knows that. Did yo have any more brainbusters for me?

Btw, do I know you?
Posted by SystemsGo
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 2:57 pm to
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Uh why? Just cuz it fricks people up? Why can't it be art?


I think Heisenberg would be offended if you called it art.
Posted by STLhog
Nashville, TN
Member since Jan 2015
17718 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 3:00 pm to
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I think Heisenberg would be offended if you called it art.


You don't think Heisenberg would call Mozart, Picasso etc a "genius"?

I absolutely think he would have called himself a chemist first and an artist second when he was at his peak.

And think about the baking analogy. That is the best way of looking at it so far IMO.
Posted by SystemsGo
Member since Oct 2014
2774 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 3:01 pm to
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You're right. It's not a large enough gap in talent. A more apt comparison would be if a scrub nurse attempted the same surgery after observing and handing tools for years.


Again, you appear to be confused about where the talent part comes into play. It isn't in setting the thermostat to 75 degrees and dumping a pre-weighed amoutn of aluminum into a vat, etc. etc. It's in designing that whole process from scratch.
Posted by LoveThatMoney
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Posted on 7/7/15 at 3:02 pm to
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I only found Jesse Pinkman to be believable in very few spots. I thought he was tolerable and believable towards the end of season 4, but pretty much other than that I thought he was overacted, not believable, and generally terrible.


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I didn't buy that Hank would completely turn on his brother-in-law like that. I realize Hank's character is not supposed to be one of great depth, but I just can't buy him not even weighing consequences of whether to go after Walt a little bit. I can't buy him not factoring their relationship into whether he pursued him in a completely gung go manner


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The notion of Walt being able to cook purer meth than Jesse after them cooking God knows how many batches together is just completely absurd and almost enough so to kinda ruin it for me...

I don't want these beefs to be interpreted as me not liking the series. I definitely did.



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Also, this has been mentioned before, but there is no way that Walter White leaves that book there.

When Walt says "I'm in the empire business", it seems out of character completely. That seemed forced.

Would Walter White really have driven out to the scene where he buried his money in a mad dash based on that call? Wouldn't he have previously checked whether the van had GPS? Of course he would have.


Holy frick this is nitpicky.

Enjoy anything? At all?
Posted by SanFranTiger
Dallas, TX
Member since Sep 2003
4895 posts
Posted on 7/7/15 at 3:02 pm to
I still don't understand why people hated Marie so much. Of all the unlikeable characters in the series, Marie got so much of the hate.
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