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Is there a reasonable defense of not considering the Dollars Trilogy a “true trilogy”?
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:09 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:09 pm
Yeah, yeah, it was not Leone’s “original intention,” but by any reasonable interpretation, he obviously intentionally made TGTB&TU a prequel by setting it earlier and having the Man With No Name gain his trademark wardrobe by the final act, solidifying it as cinema’s first origin story.
INB4 “he isn’t really the Man With No Name.” Yes, yes Joe, Manco, and Blondie. But these are all names given to him either by strangers or are otherwise obvious nicknames. It’s my contention that they’re all nicknames.
INB4 “he isn’t really the Man With No Name.” Yes, yes Joe, Manco, and Blondie. But these are all names given to him either by strangers or are otherwise obvious nicknames. It’s my contention that they’re all nicknames.
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:12 pm to UndercoverBryologist
I was just thinking to myself that this board had stagnated recently. Thank you
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:15 pm to Me4Heisman
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I was just thinking to myself that this board had stagnated recently. Thank you
African-American Hobbits!
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:19 pm to UndercoverBryologist
The Man with No Name has different names in them.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:24 pm to OMLandshark
All obvious nicknames. He’s given the name “Joe” by the undertaker who he has only just met.
Its like if you met someone at party. And everyone called him “Buddy”, “Guy,” or “Fwend” but he never tells you his actual name. Later someone asks you who you were speaking to. You’re not going to say, “his name is Buddy.” You’re going to say, “I dunno. Didn’t catch his name.”
Its like if you met someone at party. And everyone called him “Buddy”, “Guy,” or “Fwend” but he never tells you his actual name. Later someone asks you who you were speaking to. You’re not going to say, “his name is Buddy.” You’re going to say, “I dunno. Didn’t catch his name.”
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:49 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Always thought “The Blood Money trilogy” sounded better. GBU has no dollars in the name anyway.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:50 pm to UndercoverBryologist
I don't know, but Lee Van Cleef used to confuse the hell out of me in these movies. I wondered how he could be so heroic in one movie, and so dastardly in the next. It never occurred to me that he played two different characters.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 10:55 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Yes Joe is not his name and in the other 2 he’s called by nicknames others makeup. The character was based off an old Japanese film about a samurai with no name who gave fake names when he had to.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:02 pm to Madking
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The character was based off an old Japanese film about a samurai with no name who gave fake names when he had to.
I think it's the Eastern origins of the myth that give the Dollars Trilogy its special edge. The Man With No Name is less a man and more a wandering phantom.
There's also a Zen Buddhist tinge to his personality where he sees all this carnage around him and stoically accepts it as an inevitably that he cannot control or do anything about. So he just continues to stride through life unfazed.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:07 pm to UndercoverBryologist
I agree and they’re still totally unique to me compared to any other westerns. I believe UA and Leone were sued by that Japanese company for copying the character.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 11:09 pm
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:17 pm to UndercoverBryologist
hes not the same character
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:20 pm to Boo Krewe
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hes not the same character
Okay. Elaborate, please.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:34 pm to Boo Krewe
I think it's only called a trilogy because Clint is in all three. GBU is a standalone movie.
Leone wanted him in Once Upon a Time in the West as well.
Leone wanted him in Once Upon a Time in the West as well.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:38 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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the Man With No Name
Mostly a promotional thing.
I mean, I always saw them as stand alone movies.
The Trilogy is that Clint is in them all I guess and mostly dresses the same. Its just a loose series, while Dirty Harry is EXACTLy the same character throughout the sequels.
This post was edited on 8/20/22 at 12:00 am
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:46 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Right, the man with no name is the same character in all three but they were only marketed as a trilogy after the fact by United Artist.
Posted on 8/19/22 at 11:50 pm to Madking
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Right, the man with no name is the same character in all three but they were only marketed as a trilogy after the fact by United Artist.
I don’t really find the “original intent” argument all that convincing.
As far as counter arguments to it not being a true trilogy, I’m intrigued by the comment made by the poster above that Clint Eastwood is not playing the same character in each movie.
Would like some elaboration on that point from the original commenter. I hope it’s a legit analysis of how it is a different “character”, because I have some thoughts on that, and not just just another retread of the the Joe/Manco/Blondie point.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:01 am to UndercoverBryologist
quote:always been my view
INB4 “he isn’t really the Man With No Name.” Yes, yes Joe, Manco, and Blondie. But these are all names given to him either by strangers or are otherwise obvious nicknames. It’s my contention that they’re all nicknames.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:06 am to UndercoverBryologist
FWIW Ford's "Cavalry Trilogy" was not intended as one either. Ford happened to get three films produced which concerned the cavalry.
Perhaps my fave of these: we all know John Wayne made The Shootist as his farewell to movies and his fans around the world.
Except he didn't. Per Ron Howard Wayne called him the next year to discuss his appearing in a film Wayne was setting up.
Perhaps my fave of these: we all know John Wayne made The Shootist as his farewell to movies and his fans around the world.
Except he didn't. Per Ron Howard Wayne called him the next year to discuss his appearing in a film Wayne was setting up.
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:09 am to Madking
quote:which is great b/c Kurosawa stole Yojimbo from Hammett's Red Harvest (IIRC Kurosawa even admitted this)
I believe UA and Leone were sued by that Japanese company for copying the character
Posted on 8/20/22 at 12:13 am to UndercoverBryologist
quote:Taken from James Coburn in The Magnificent Seven*, a film that was very influential on spaghetti westerns
There's also a Zen Buddhist tinge to his personality where he sees all this carnage around him and stoically accepts it as an inevitably that he cannot control or do anything about.
*Yes, Coburn's character was based on one in 7 Samurai
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