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Posted on 6/1/09 at 1:55 pm to
Posted by rondo
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Posted on 6/1/09 at 1:55 pm to
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Isnt randy jensen the fig that never makes it past dat one in the main event so he brings a book to read and tries to not play?





yep



what a chump.
Posted by TEXASTIGER22
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Posted on 6/1/09 at 1:56 pm to
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Isnt randy jensen the fig that never makes it past dat one in the main event so he brings a book to read and tries to not play?


ya, he was cool up until the smart arse comment in the end.
Posted by TEXASTIGER22
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Posted on 6/1/09 at 2:02 pm to
Here is the blog from the WSOP ME when I played with Raymer. It's long as hell so I won't be offended if no one reads it but I figured it went with the thread.

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Monday, July 09, 2007
2007 WSOP Main Event
It is wierd how you feel before you play the main event, the biggest poker tournament in the world. I have played in a 10K buy in before but it didn't feel like this. With all of the long odds and the things you have to over come to win this thing you can't help but think and dream about how cool it would be to run well and make a push at it. I was living that dream before the dinner break of day 1. I was playing really well, my reads were right on, and the cards were running well. The only player at the table to start was Greg Raymer but he dumped away all of his chips in a hand that he played terribly IMO. He went all in for 16 thousand with the blinds at 100-200 on a straight draw when he raised a kid who only bet 1200. He went 1200 to 16 thousand and was called by the kids set. He played really bad before that also by limping with KK and QQ and getting run down then he complained about how unlucky he was but he let 5-6 people in the hand. Anyway, just before the dinner break i won a 20K pot with AK against JJ where I hit an Ace on the river and really thought that I was going to hava good day one. When I came back from dinner break I had 51 thousand with the blinds at 200-400 with a 25 anti. In this level I was able to chip up to 72 thousand and was looking great. There was no one at my table who looked like they had played above .25 - .50 cent holdem on their computer. It was by far the easiest table I had played at the Rio, possibly ever. Things were going to have to go really bad for me to not finish the day well and they did. The start of my downfall went like this. It was the start of level 5, 300-600 with a 50 chip anti. I had a little over 72 thousand when it folded around to me on the button. I look down at AK of clubs and raise to 1800. The man in the BB was a good ole boy from Alabama who had never played a tournament and was a complete calling station. He had about 45 thousand to start the hand and called my raise. The flop came 2,4,A with the 2 and 4 both hearts. He leads out and bets 3K. I had a read on him before this hand that when he bet close to the size of the pot he was usually trying to take it down there. I had seen him a few times get called and then check down the next two cards calling down whatever his opponent bet and for the most part it had worked for him. I was 100% sure my AK was good and with the fact that there were two hearts on board and he was a calling station there was no need to slow play. I raised him to 10 thousand and of course he calls. I am not at all scared of him possibly being on a flush draw and am 99% sure that he has a bad ace at this point. The turn in the 6 of clubs and he checks. I bet 20 thousand which was the biggest bet the table had seen yet. He says I "cawl" and I know I have him. He has about 12K left when the river brings the 7 of spades and he checks. I am deciding whether to take his last 12 thousand and be greedy or just take the pot as is. There is 64 thousand in the middle and 106K for me is looking good enough so I check the river and he shakes his head. "I thought for sure you were gonna put me in on that last card" he says as he turns over A7. A three outer on the river which leaves me with the sickest feeling in the world. I was 100% I had the best hand the whole way, there was no doubt, and got kicked in the nuts by the poker gods. I was left after the hand with around 40K which was average but man. 40K compared to 106 really hurt. I lost 13 k on 6 hands raising pre flop with AK AK AK JJ JJ 99. No doubt the amount I had been getting called and the AK hand affected the outcome in these hands because a guy with 100 thousand looks a lot scarier than a guy with 40. Notonly that but I would have had a lot more room to make these moves if I had the 106. The three pocket pairs got checked down to the river after a flop of two over cards and whoever called my pre flop raise all three times flopped the second pair and won ( flops of KQ brick guy would have a dry Q, AK brick guy would have dry K, 2 of the 3 the guy who called was in the BB the 3rd who called was in the small) and the three with AK got checked to the river and whoever called all three times had a small poclet pair that won every time. I could have made a bluff at these but I had been getting called by everything that I was really waiting on certain situations againts certain players.


TBC...
Posted by TEXASTIGER22
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Posted on 6/1/09 at 2:03 pm to
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All 6 of these hands I was involved in were against one of the three calling stations at the table. I did not play a hand for a while until my final hand 15 min before the end on day 1. At 3:15 a.m. after 15 hours of play my day ended like this. I had 20 something thousand and this asian guy who tried to bluff me earlier for a bunch of chips early on in the tournament, raised as the second person to act from 800 to 2000. It folds to me in the BB and I call 1200 with J10 of spades. The flop comes 2 9 10. I decide I am going to find out where I am and bet 3500, which he called. This confused me cause I think if he had an over pair he would have raised right there, but he may just be stringing me along. The turn is a 4, there is no chance at a flush out, so I check and he bets 4 thousand. The check could be called a bad play but in the situation at the time it felt was correct. I was 50/50 on if I had the best hand because he had raised so early, I had to give him respect for a good hand and if he had a hand like AK, AQ I felt it was worth it to give him the opportunity to try to catch rather than fire out and take the chance at him having QQ, KK, AA or even a bluff and having to fold to his raise on the turn. I call the 4 thousand and we go to the river. The river is a J giving me top two. This is a BEAUTIFUL card to me because now if he had QQ, KK, AA they are no good. If he was bluffing with AJ he just hit his J and would have to think it was good. I bet 6k he thinks for a while and puts me all in for another 7. I call imedietly and he shakes his head and says " you have KQ"? I say no and turn over top two, he turns over 7-8 off suit which is what he felt was a good enough hand to raise with 2nd to act. If that had been a cash game I would have lost all of my money because there was NO Way I could have possibly put the guy on 7,8 the way the hand played out. He raised so early and I was far from a guy who he thought a 1200 raise was going to win him the blinds and antis. He knew he would be at least called with the bet if not by me by someone else. It worked out perfectly for him and terribly for me. These guys who win these tournaments I have seen make terrible plays (Jamie Gold last year putting everyone in with crap straight draws and hitting last year) so this guy will probably win the 2007 min event. In these tournaments you have to pick the right spots and get lucky but more than anything else you have to avoid being unlucky. I have not run that bad with coolers in a while and it really sucks that it happend in the biggest poker tournament in the world at a table that I could have beaten 7 years ago when I first learned how to play NL. That was the end for me. I had a lot of fun before I started running so bad and definately want to make this trip again next year for the main event just not for so long. I am worn out and really looking forward to coming home. I'll probably be at the IP in Biloxi in August and then to New Orleans for the circuit in november. I think I am gonna skip Tunica cause I really dont want to make another long poker trip so soon. Thats pretty much it for now. I have 7 days left in the trip and may hit up a few of the Venetian tourneys but prob stick to the cash games to try and get some of my money back. Later
Posted by Walt OReilly
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Posted on 6/1/09 at 2:04 pm to
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Which WSOP player can play a real sport, and which sports could they play?


Some guy who was a big time tennis player over seas???? forget his name

Cant remember his first name but his last name is brown I believe. He is engaged or married to another player who is good looking.

Posted by PokerChamp21
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Posted on 6/1/09 at 2:07 pm to
Boris Becker?
Posted by Walt OReilly
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Posted on 6/1/09 at 2:10 pm to
No not him. He plays in a bunch of cash games. I have seen him a couple of times on poker after dark and high stakes poker.
Posted by Walt OReilly
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Posted on 6/1/09 at 2:11 pm to
David Benyamine
Posted by PokerChamp21
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Posted on 6/1/09 at 2:16 pm to
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he only player at the table to start was Greg Raymer but he dumped away all of his chips in a hand that he played terribly IMO. He went all in for 16 thousand with the blinds at 100-200 on a straight draw when he raised a kid who only bet 1200. He went 1200 to 16 thousand and was called by the kids set. He played really bad before that also by limping with KK and QQ and getting run down then he complained about how unlucky he was but he let 5-6 people in the hand.


another example of why I dont think Greg Raymer is that good. He overbets marginal hands & draws all the time.


Ex-1
Greg Raymer raised to 150,000 from the button and Justin Bonomo reraised all in for 1,440,000 from the small blind. Raymer made the call and they flipped up their cards:

Raymer: A8
Bonomo: AJ

Board: K652A

Bonomo doubled up on the hand to 2,985,000 and Raymer took a hit down to 1,785,000.

There is no reason to call off half your stack against a good player with a shite hand like A8

Ex-2
Greg Raymer raised to 400,000 and Isaac Haxton reraised to 1.25 million. Raymer then shoved for his entire stack of 8 million and Haxton called, having him very slightly covered.

Raymer showed pocket fives and Haxton revealed the superior pocket nines. The board rolled out KQ1033 and Haxton’s nines took the pot, sending the Fossilman out in third place to a standing ovation. Haxton now has a 2-1 chip lead on Vitaly Lunkin.

Another ignorant play. How can you justify going all in with 5s there other than you think the guy is on a complete bluff, but from what I have seen from Raymer he doesn't read people all that well and overbets these marginal low pairs and weak aces.
This post was edited on 6/1/09 at 2:21 pm
Posted by Walt OReilly
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Posted on 6/1/09 at 2:18 pm to
Yeah thats a terrible play IMO
Posted by PokerChamp21
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Posted on 6/1/09 at 2:22 pm to
The remarkable thing to me is Thang Luu who won the omaha hi-lo event yesterday won it last year and got 2nd in 2007 in the same event with these big fields thats amazing.
Posted by bamaatlsu
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Posted on 6/1/09 at 2:31 pm to
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a good ole boy from Alabama who had never played a tournament and was a complete calling station

hello there
Posted by The Egg
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Posted on 6/1/09 at 2:38 pm to
damn owens, he called u a calling station!
Posted by TEXASTIGER22
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Posted on 6/1/09 at 2:53 pm to
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hello there


If you're in your mid to late 50's and god awful at poker, I would like to apologize for including you in my myspace blog
This post was edited on 6/1/09 at 2:54 pm
Posted by TEXASTIGER22
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Posted on 6/1/09 at 2:59 pm to
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another example of why I dont think Greg Raymer is that good. He overbets marginal hands & draws all the time.


Ex-1
Greg Raymer raised to 150,000 from the button and Justin Bonomo reraised all in for 1,440,000 from the small blind. Raymer made the call and they flipped up their cards:

Raymer: A8
Bonomo: AJ

Board: K652A

Bonomo doubled up on the hand to 2,985,000 and Raymer took a hit down to 1,785,000.

There is no reason to call off half your stack against a good player with a shite hand like A8

Ex-2
Greg Raymer raised to 400,000 and Isaac Haxton reraised to 1.25 million. Raymer then shoved for his entire stack of 8 million and Haxton called, having him very slightly covered.

Raymer showed pocket fives and Haxton revealed the superior pocket nines. The board rolled out KQ1033 and Haxton’s nines took the pot, sending the Fossilman out in third place to a standing ovation. Haxton now has a 2-1 chip lead on Vitaly Lunkin.

Another ignorant play. How can you justify going all in with 5s there other than you think the guy is on a complete bluff, but from what I have seen from Raymer he doesn't read people all that well and overbets these marginal low pairs and weak aces.



Ya he does. I got the numbers wrong in my blog cause I wrote it the next day but I was close. We were at 200-400 and Raymer check raised a 3,000 bet to a 13,000 all in with the straight draw on day 1 and very little in the pot. Below is the link, i'm the black astros hat when they zoom out in the bottom left corner

3:30 mark


ETA: It's funny that Norman Chad says "Raymer goes out with a touch of grace and dignity, yea just like Matusow does" cause he pissed and moaned into the camera for a few min when he got KO'ed which they didn't show about how un lucky he got with those big pocket pairs that he limped in with.
This post was edited on 6/1/09 at 3:02 pm
Posted by The Egg
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Posted on 6/4/09 at 8:57 am to
bump...

Phil Ivey makes his 19th final table at the $2,500 2-7 Draw Lowball tourney LINK

no idea how to play that game.
Posted by TEXASTIGER22
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Posted on 6/4/09 at 9:32 am to
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bump...

Phil Ivey makes his 19th final table at the $2,500 2-7 Draw Lowball tourney LINK

no idea how to play that game.


It's big in the high limit cash games and has become a tournament game because of it's popularity in these games. More people are learning and playing the game to try and get into events like this one since it typically has a very low field draw.

I'll try to explain, if you have any questions cause I left something out, let me know.

There are two types of 2-7 lowball, single draw and tripple draw. Single draw is usually played as a no limit or pot limit game. Tripple draw is a limit game because of the amount of betting rounds.

2-7 is a game where you basically try to make the worst possible hand. A counts only as a high card and straights and flushes count against you. The best possible hand is 2,3,4,5,7 double suited. If you make a 2,3,4,5,6 you basically have a straight and it is worthless.

You are dealt 5 cards to begin the round. There is a dealer button with a small and big blind just as in holdem and the betting starts to the left of the BB. Once the betting round os over you draw between 0-5 cards and bet again before tabling your hand. Not sure if I left anything out but i've played it a few times so let me know if you have any questions.
This post was edited on 6/4/09 at 9:33 am
Posted by The Egg
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Posted on 6/4/09 at 9:41 am to
that sounds like a confusing game.
Posted by TEXASTIGER22
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Posted on 6/4/09 at 9:49 am to
it's really one of the easier ones to learn. It would be harder to teach someone holdem then single or tripple draw. Same as most other poker games. Easy to learn but takes a while to get the strategy behing betting hands, starting hands, position etc...

I took an interest last year when I was out in Vegas for the WSOP because the fields are always like 100 people. Good way to try to win a bracelet, but the problem is of the 100 like 95 are pro's.
Posted by dj30
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Posted on 6/4/09 at 10:07 am to
Ive played the game a couple of times on pokerstars. I know the rules of the game, but not sure if there is a particular strategy besides getting lo.
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