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re: With the BCS, every game is a playoff??????
Posted on 11/24/10 at 7:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 11/24/10 at 7:38 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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My guess is that if BSU or TCU get in the NCG, those holdouts of a playoff system will see the light and you will have a playoff very soon
Just the opposite, if one of those makes it it validates the BCS, even non AQ's can make it, they won;'t have a leg to stand on while whining.
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Posted on 11/24/10 at 7:42 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Just the opposite, if one of those makes it it validates the BCS, even non AQ's can make it, they won;'t have a leg to stand on while whining.
Naw, the Pac10 and B10 will be screaming for a playoff if this happens. You can bank on it.
I can't understand why anyone would be against a playoff. Every other team sport in every division...college and pro...except FBS football has a playoff.
Posted on 11/24/10 at 7:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Naw, the Pac10 and B10 will be screaming for a playoff if this happens. You can bank on it.
Why? They're happy with their Rose Bowl games, and most of the time a Big10 team is in the NCG.
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I can't understand why anyone would be against a playoff. Every other team sport in every division...college and pro...except FBS football has a playoff.
1. It devalues the regular season when 8-16 team playoffs get brought up.
2. The men's basketball tournament only continues to expand, which is what people definitely don't want to happen with football.
3. CFB is the greatest of all sports, why would we give a frick what other, lesser sports do?
Posted on 11/24/10 at 7:46 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I can't understand why anyone would be against a playoff
I think it would be great. It would sort itself out. Some teams get HOT at the end of the year. A BOISE OR TCU could NOT win THREE straight games against a LSU, AU, And AN Oregon.
Posted on 11/24/10 at 7:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Naw, the Pac10 and B10 will be screaming for a playoff if this happens. You can bank on it.
I don't see why. Contrary to the belief of BCS haters, the system is not designed to keep the little guys out. The Big 10 and Pac 10 would sooner go back to their old Rose Bowl arrangement every year than a playoff, you can bank on that.
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I can't understand why anyone would be against a playoff. Every other team sport in every division...college and pro...except FBS football has a playoff
I'd rather a 4 team playoff, but no more, I think regular seasons should matter and when a team like the 2007 Giants can win the championship, the regular season doesn't mean very much. Do believe that? Just listen to the defense of the Giants people will make, they won when it counted or some such argument.
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:02 pm to The Easter Bunny
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Naw, the Pac10 and B10 will be screaming for a playoff if this happens. You can bank on it.
Why? They're happy with their Rose Bowl games, and most of the time a Big10 team is in the NCG.
Let a mid major get in the NCG, or another BCS game ahead of a B10 or PAC10 team, they will change their mind.
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I can't understand why anyone would be against a playoff. Every other team sport in every division...college and pro...except FBS football has a playoff.
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1. It devalues the regular season when 8-16 team playoffs get brought up.
How? The regular season OOC games don't mean jack right now.
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2. The men's basketball tournament only continues to expand, which is what people definitely don't want to happen with football.
4-8 team playoff will suffice. You are assuming it would grow, maybe it wouldn't
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3. CFB is the greatest of all sports, why would we give a frick what other, lesser sports do?
Every other division subdivision in college football use a playoff. Tradition isn't a good enough reason.
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:05 pm to H-Town Tiger
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I'd rather a 4 team playoff, but no more, I think regular seasons should matter and when a team like the 2007 Giants can win the championship, the regular season doesn't mean very much. Do believe that? Just listen to the defense of the Giants people will make, they won when it counted or some such argument.
In which college football division or subdivision is there a playoff, and the regular season didn't matter?
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Let a mid major get in the NCG, or another BCS game ahead of a B10 or PAC10 team, they will change their mind.
Why, the only way that happens is if Oregon loses and Boise and or TCU don't. What makes you think the Big 10 and Pac 10 will throw a hissy fit if an undefeated Non AQ plays for the title while their teams have 1 loss? Its just wishful thinking on the part of people that hate the BCS. Its makes no sense.
The only reason they went along with the current set up was pressure, the AEC and ACC wanted a playoff a few years ago and the Big/Pac blocked it. They'd go back to just the Rose Bowl if they could.
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How? The regular season OOC games don't mean jack right now.
A) OOC games are not the whole schedule B) Ask 2004 Auburn how bad OOC games affect your ranking.
C) look at the 2001 SEC CG. LSU won the West and made the CCG over Florida who went 6-2 and beat LSU by 30 at LSU. Or how about the 2007 NFL season. The Giants and Cowboys are in the same division, they play twice, Dallas won both by double digits and had a better overall record. But the Giants got another shot in the playoffs "and won when it mattered" rendering the other games meaningless.
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Every other division subdivision in college football use a playoff. Tradition isn't a good enough reason
But the "everyone else does it" argument is good enough"
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
1.) 16 team playoff (11 conference champs and 5 at large)
2.) this would not devalue the regular season
3.) Comparing college basketball and football are like comparing apples and oranges. Teams play 4 games a week sometimes, and teams play rivals sometimes 3 times. Football rivalries take place once a year. A playoff won't "devalue" Bama LSU. If you think it will you are a dunderhead.
4.) The computer math is garbage; it doesn't take into account the margin of victory.
5.) A playoff would allow teams like Boise to have a shot without having to go undefeated two years in a row. It works in highschool and the regular season is still great, and in the NFL.
6.) Teams who clinch a spot in the playoffs would never do what the colts did by sitting their players. They play 15 games and compete with 15 teams in their division for a number one spot. College teams play 12 games and compete with 119 other teams for a #1 spot. A college team would have to lead by 2 games to even consider throwing a game, and I doubt Auburn would "throw" the Iron Bowl even if this was the case.
PLAYOFFS MAKE MORE SENSE!
2.) this would not devalue the regular season
3.) Comparing college basketball and football are like comparing apples and oranges. Teams play 4 games a week sometimes, and teams play rivals sometimes 3 times. Football rivalries take place once a year. A playoff won't "devalue" Bama LSU. If you think it will you are a dunderhead.
4.) The computer math is garbage; it doesn't take into account the margin of victory.
5.) A playoff would allow teams like Boise to have a shot without having to go undefeated two years in a row. It works in highschool and the regular season is still great, and in the NFL.
6.) Teams who clinch a spot in the playoffs would never do what the colts did by sitting their players. They play 15 games and compete with 15 teams in their division for a number one spot. College teams play 12 games and compete with 119 other teams for a #1 spot. A college team would have to lead by 2 games to even consider throwing a game, and I doubt Auburn would "throw" the Iron Bowl even if this was the case.
PLAYOFFS MAKE MORE SENSE!
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:19 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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In which college football division or subdivision is there a playoff, and the regular season didn't matter?
I can't comment on other college division because I don't follow them.
But in the NFL in 2007, the Cowboys went 13-3, the Giants 10-6. They played twice the Cowboys won both by double digits. They met again in the playoff and the Giants won. So the Giants were 1-2 vs Dallas overall but got to move on. What will people defending the Giants say? They won when it mattered, which means the first 2 didn't mean anything. Over the course of the 16 game season the Cowboys proved themselves to be better, the Giants did not deserve another shot.
Another example, in CBB in 1985 Georgetown and Villanova played 4 times, GT won the first 3, what did those games mean when Nova gets a 4th shot and ecks out a win in the playoff?
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:19 pm to H-Town Tiger
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A) OOC games are not the whole schedule B) Ask 2004 Auburn how bad OOC games affect your ranking
Any other season Auburn would have been in the NCG. If you want the best two teams playing in the NCG, and the best team to be champion a playoff is needed.
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C) look at the 2001 SEC CG. LSU won the West and made the CCG over Florida who went 6-2 and beat LSU by 30 at LSU.
Tennessee made it to the SECCG over Florida, not LSU. Different divisions.
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Or how about the 2007 NFL season. The Giants and Cowboys are in the same division, they play twice, Dallas won both by double digits and had a better overall record. But the Giants got another shot in the playoffs "and won when it mattered" rendering the other games meaningless.
NFL. Irrelevant.
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Every other division subdivision in college football use a playoff. Tradition isn't a good enough reason
But the "everyone else does it" argument is good enough"
No, but pointing out how it is highly successful at every college football level that participates in a playoff is relevant.
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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But in the NFL in 2007, the Cowboys went 13-3, the Giants 10-6. They played twice the Cowboys won both by double digits. They met again in the playoff and the Giants won. So the Giants were 1-2 vs Dallas overall but got to move on. What will people defending the Giants say? They won when it mattered, which means the first 2 didn't mean anything. Over the course of the 16 game season the Cowboys proved themselves to be better, the Giants did not deserve another shot.
Every other sport in the world uses a playoff. Only one uses a computer to pick its championship. 88 NCAA sports use a playoff, 1 uses a computer.
I'd rather have the misfortune of something like what happened to the Cowboys, than have an undefeated team not even get a shot.
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:26 pm to SaltyTiger53
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Every other sport in the world uses a playoff. Only one uses a computer to pick its championship. 88 NCAA sports use a playoff, 1 uses a computer.
Yep. There must be something positive about a playoff and we know the BCS sucks.
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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If you want the best two teams playing in the NCG, and the best team to be champion a playoff is needed.
quite the contrary, one game doesn't prove anything. Arkansas was not better than LSU in 2007. Look at the whole season and you can see that LSU was better.
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Tennessee made it to the SECCG over Florida, not LSU. Different divisions.
Exactly my point. Florida had a better record and killed LSU, but LSU got to play for the title and not Florida. UT also had a better record and beat LSU, why should LSU get a shot at the title? Even after winning that game, LSU still had only the 3rd best record in the SEC. That's what you risk with expansive playoffs and giving auto spots to conference winners, which most playoff proposals do.
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NFL. Irrelevant.
Its a playoff and an example of why I don't like expansive playoff and how they make regular seasons mean less, surely you can understand that.
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No, but pointing out how it is highly successful at every college football level that participates in a playoff is relevant.
Define highly successful. Lower levels could not have a bowl system because there is not enough interest. Don't they play all the games at home?
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:33 pm to SaltyTiger53
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Every other sport in the world uses a playoff.
actually that's not true, some soccer leagues use round robin regular seasons to name a champion.
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88 NCAA sports use a playoff, 1 uses a computer
I guess I've been imagining those games like Alabama-Texas, Florida-OU, LSU-Ohio State. I didn't realize they were decided by a computer.
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I'd rather have the misfortune of something like what happened to the Cowboys, than have an undefeated team not even get a shot.
And I'd rather the opposite. Better to have an 2004 Auburn than 85 Villanova or 07 Giants.
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:35 pm to H-Town Tiger
What about Highschool? Does anyone ever complain that the best team doesn't win the state championship?
The best teams usually win, partner. John Curtis, Evangel, West Monroe.
The best teams usually win, partner. John Curtis, Evangel, West Monroe.
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:36 pm to SaltyTiger53
H-town Tiger. You and I will never agree. I choose the old fashion American way.
Settle it on the field!
Settle it on the field!
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:37 pm to H-Town Tiger
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And I'd rather the opposite. Better to have an 2004 Auburn than 85 Villanova or 07 Giants.
Nah. Since unlike the NFL, colleges schedule their own out of conference games, being undefeated can be misleading. Playoff would determine which team is better.
Without a playoff, there will rarely be a true national champion. The regular season is not a playoff. Conferences, divisions and subdivisions have too much disparity.
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:43 pm to SaltyTiger53
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Settle it on the field!
I could be wrong, because ?I only saw it on TV, but I'm fairly certain Texas and Alabama played on a field last year
Its all good, like I said I'd rather a 4 team, but the BCS to 8 or 16
Posted on 11/24/10 at 8:45 pm to H-Town Tiger
Problem with FCS football and the bowl system is the disparity between conferences. Going by record alone is a poor indicator of strength.
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