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re: Why don't the Bengals cut ties with Shemir Stewart and just sign Hendrickson to a deal?

Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:39 pm to
Posted by jiffyjohnson
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:39 pm to
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This is nowhere near the same thing. At all lol


Its actually very similar. I understand why you wouldn't want to answer the hypothetical tho.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:41 pm to
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It’s exactly the same thing. Like quite literally

He said post history. I’m assuming he meant anything I’ve said already. The clause says:
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if Player makes any public comment

Meaning anything going forward after the contract is signed.

You can argue the bengals might chose to go back and look at everything he’s said for however long ago, but that’s likely not the case. If there was anything out there, we’d know about it already.
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support President Trump”

That’s a really dumb thing for an athlete to say publicly.

What other examples?
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:42 pm to
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Its actually very similar. I understand why you wouldn't want to answer the hypothetical tho.

I answered it lol
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:44 pm to
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Meaning anything going forward after the contract is signed.


No it doesn’t

Just stop posting, you’re making yourself look dumber and dumber. Which is really an extraordinary feat

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That’s a really dumb thing for an athlete to say publicly.


And others would applaud it as brave and heroic. Which is exactly the point you fricking idiot
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
24650 posts
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:47 pm to
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No it doesn’t

Does the clause say, “commemte a player makes or has made” ?
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And others would applaud it as brave and heroic

Well they would be wrong lol. It’s a dumb thing for a player to publicly say. Why is this so hard to grasp? Don’t make political statements.

They aren’t paying him to be brave and heroic off the field, are they? Lol
This post was edited on 7/24/25 at 1:51 pm
Posted by DByrd2
Fredericksburg, VA
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:47 pm to
These two deals just became even more critical for the front office/team... Just had a DE carted off the practice field.
Posted by jiffyjohnson
1226 miles from Death Valley
Member since Nov 2011
5740 posts
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:50 pm to
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That’s a really dumb thing for an athlete to say publicly.


Whether its dumb or not, stupid or profound, is not what's up for discussion here. Some people would say "good me too!" And others would say "thats fricking gross"

And giving up your right to freedom of speech and expression to be held at a standard no one else in the league is would be fricking stupid. Kinda like you expecting others to abide by something you never would and copping out of it by bringing up a timeline. Past, present, or future you wouldn't do what youre expecting him to.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:50 pm to
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Does the clause say, “commemte a player makes or has made” ?


1. “Comnente” isn’t a word I’m aware of
2. You need to learn to read

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Well they would be wrong lol. It’s a dumb thing for a player to publicly say.


Your opinion on the matter is totally irrelevant and if anything shows how absurd this clause is

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Why is this so hard to grasp? Don’t make political statements.



It’s not hard to grasp at all. You’re the only one that doesn’t seem to get it…. Lol
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
24650 posts
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:54 pm to
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And giving up your right to freedom of speech and expression to be held at a standard no one else in the league is would be fricking stupid. Kinda like you expecting others to abide by something you never would and copping out of it by bringing up a timeline.

I didn’t cop out of anything lol. You made a dumb comparison that isn’t the same situation at all. Add clarification to be more inline with what’s going on here if you want it answered lol
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Whether its dumb or not, stupid or profound, is not what's up for discussion here

It’s exactly that lol.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
24650 posts
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:55 pm to
Ok. You addressed nothing there lol

Any other bad examples?
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37108 posts
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:57 pm to
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Any other bad examples?


It could be quite literally anything that the owner doesn’t agree with, which for the hundredth time, is the entire point.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
24650 posts
Posted on 7/24/25 at 1:58 pm to
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could be quite literally anything that the owner doesn’t agree with, which for the hundredth time, is the entire point.

Yea but like what? Nobody is giving any examples besides one political statement that just keeps getting rephrased. Which, again, is a dumb thing for a player to publicly do.

Does the clause say “comments a player makes and has made” ? You didn’t answer that one.
This post was edited on 7/24/25 at 1:59 pm
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37108 posts
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:02 pm to
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Yea but like what? Nobody is giving any examples besides one political statement that just keeps getting rephrased. Which, again, is a dumb thing for a player to publicly do.


Micah Parsons comments about not being wanted on the cowboys in response to Jerry’s comments could violate this clause.

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Does the clause say “comments a player makes and has made”


It doesn’t have to be

You just don’t know how to read
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
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Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:05 pm to
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doesn’t have to be

Ok made and make are the same thing now lol


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Micah Parsons comments about not being wanted on the cowboys
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You think that was a smart thing to say? If you do, then I now understand why you are having this much trouble with this lol
This post was edited on 7/24/25 at 2:06 pm
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37108 posts
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:09 pm to
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You think that was a smart thing to say? If you do, then I now understand why you are having this much trouble with this lo


I can think it’s dumb and not think it should void his guaranteed money. The fact you find this concept so difficult is shocking
This post was edited on 7/24/25 at 2:10 pm
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
71289 posts
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:10 pm to
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TackySweater

do you seriously not grasp how and why ambiguous clauses in a contract, especially one that has consequences in the tens of millions of dollars, are probably terms you are going to advise your client against signing?

You keep repeating "don't do or say stupid shite, just play ball, and you don't have anything to worry about." Now I want you to define what "stupid shite" is.

The way the language in the proposed contract is structured, he could get suspended for a late hit, and theoretically have his guaranteed money voided.

There are ways to fix these ambiguities by actually defining what "conduct detrimental to the team" means in the context of that provision. But it appears the Bengals aren't interested in getting a deal done.
Posted by jiffyjohnson
1226 miles from Death Valley
Member since Nov 2011
5740 posts
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:10 pm to
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I didn’t cop out of anything lol


you most certainly did. you wouldnt sign an agreement with your employer that youll watch whatever comes out of your mouth in case it could be viewed as problematic by them. and i dont frickin blame you.

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You made a dumb comparison that isn’t the same situation at all

i understand youll have to suspend disbelief for a few moments to wrap your head around someone paying you millions for your talents, but if you could do that you can see that signing an open ended agreement that would affect your pay based off of the opinions you have shared wouldnt bode well. then tack on that no one else at your company has it in their pay structure.

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It’s exactly that lol.


it isnt.
Posted by jiffyjohnson
1226 miles from Death Valley
Member since Nov 2011
5740 posts
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:19 pm to
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he way the language in the proposed contract is structured, he could get suspended for a late hit, and theoretically have his guaranteed money voided


great frickin point. im so wrapped up in the free speech/everyone has a problem with something aspect of it that i completely ignored it could be from an on the field thing.

i wonder if the "just play ball" guy has a problem with pussy arse refs costing this guy millions. maybe we can wrap our head around that but i wont get my hopes up
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
24650 posts
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:21 pm to
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can think it’s dumb and not think it should void his guaranteed money. The fact you find this concept so difficult is shocking

Well it’s not part of his contract.

So you’re basically arguing that Stewart should be able to say dumb shite about his team/owner/other players/coaches etc.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
37108 posts
Posted on 7/24/25 at 2:22 pm to
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So you’re basically arguing that Stewart should be able to say dumb shite about his team/owner/other players/coaches etc.


No
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