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re: Where do you see the Big10 headed?

Posted on 8/9/09 at 10:25 am to
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 10:25 am to
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I think a big thing for them is to stop sending two BCS reps during down years


describe an UP year in the Big Ten????
Posted by SprintFun
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 10:27 am to
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I agree with this.


I mean it sucks because I have to basically admit we suck and need to be overmatched to win bowl games, but a few months down the road you don't care about what the matchup was. For example Pac-tards are beating their chest about going undefeated (I think?) in their bowl games, but they were all favorable matchups.
Posted by SprintFun
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 10:31 am to
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describe an UP year in the Big Ten????


Having at least a .500 record with some BCS wins sprinkled in?
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 10:37 am to
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Having at least a .500 record with some BCS wins sprinkled in?



Besides OSU and Penn State and Mich, How many teams have even been to a BCS game?? ILL???
Posted by BuckeyeFan87
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 10:49 am to
tOSU, PSU, Wisky, Illinois, Michigan and Iowa I believe.
Posted by SprintFun
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 10:49 am to
BTW, here's how I look at all the Big10 teams:

Indiana - Perennial doormat of the big10, and I don't see them moving out of the bottom half of the conference. If Bill Lynch isn't gone after this year, his time will be numbered. Sure they can bust out a season with a bowl game every 5 years or so, but thats about it.

Purdue - Really to tell where they'll end up in a few years with new coach Danny Hope. The thing working for them is they at least have something going on and they aren't just sitting around. For example they are trying to reshape the team through recruits and JUCO guys right now, similar to what Brewster did with Minnesota. I think that they'll share the same fate of Indiana though.

Wisconsin - They are currently crumbling. They are able to still bring in great back after great back, but the rest of things seem to be tanking. They'll be in the basement for a little while I think.

Iowa - Two years of sub .500 records, two years of bowl games. Rinse and repeat. Never a threat for anything consistently, they can make a run for the league title every 3 or 4 years.

Minnesota - New stadium and a new attitude in Minneapolis. Their new digs will help recruiting a lot I think, but the question is can they keep their momentum up and become a consistent player in the Big10? I doubt it - they'll alternate "up" and "down" years with Iowa.

Illinois - Zook can recruit and can't coach. This team will win a few games they shouldn't and lose a few games they shouldn't ever year. Similar to Iowa/Minnesota, they'll alternate years of contention with years of being in the bottom half.

Northwestern - One of the best coaches who has to work with a team that never gets any respect. All this team does is produce without much top talent. I truly admire Fitzgerald and this team will consistently be mid-to-top of the conference.

Michigan St - The other great coach and program builder in the ranks of the Big10. This squad will constantly be improving and in 5 years they WILL be an annual talk about the league title. Here's how recruiting in Michigan will shape up: If you are an elite defensive player, you go to Michigan St. If you are an elite offensive player, you go to Michigan.

Michigan - As painful as it is for me to say it, this program is going to be scary down the road, and you're blind if you can't see it. The problem for them though will be can DickRod avoid losing the games he shouldn't? Shades of WVU/Pitt in 07 creep into my vision...

Penn St - When Joe Pa goes (which should be shortly I think) they will not miss a beat. They have a great stadium and great fans and that will keep the Penn St buzz going after Joe Pa goes. They will consistently have a down year or two every five years though.

Ohio St - not slowing down anytime soon. The only shocker for some will be when Tressel steps down in ~5 years from now, and OSU tries to woo Dantonio away from Michigan St.
Posted by Tebow4ReElection
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 5:02 pm to
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Besides OSU and Penn State and Mich, How many teams have even been to a BCS game?? ILL???



Besides Ohio State, Penn State, and Michigan, 4 Big Ten teams have been to a BCS game (Wisconsin (twice), Purdue, Illinois (twice), Iowa).

But to address the original question, there has been a recent development that should benefit the Big Ten. A few months ago the SEC passed a new rule limiting recruiting class sizes to 28 per year. The conference has also gone ahead and proposed that it become an NCAA-wide rule.

This is significant because since 2002, the Big Ten has been the only conference with a self-imposed oversigning limit. It may or may not be coincidence that the timing of that rule's passage (2002) and of the beginning of the Big Ten's recent downturn (2006) are about 4 years apart (meaning pre-2002 recruting classes were all but completely absent from the recent struggles).

The Big Ten's rule limits oversigning to 3 per year along with the requirement that a detailed explanation for the oversigning be sent to the conference for approval. As I understand it, this means that the Big Ten's rule is still more restrictive than the SEC's rule since a program usually has fewer than 25 available scholarships. Also, as far as I know, the SEC does not require any explanation for the oversigning. I could be wrong about that, but it is what I have gathered from the reports I have read. Either way, if the SEC version does become an NCAA rule, that should at least help level the playing field.

This is an issue that does not receive a lot of attention, but it has had a big impact on the landscape of college football.
This post was edited on 8/9/09 at 5:04 pm
Posted by SprintFun
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 5:12 pm to
Do you think this helps the Big10 because it penalizes the SEC or because it means the Big10 can get more recruits potentially from SEC country?
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 5:28 pm to
i would answer "yes" to both those questions
Posted by TheRoarRestoredInBR
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 5:34 pm to
Trends are still and have been for years now, Rust Belters moving south..

Nothing is gonna reverse that anytime soon..

Nashville, Atlanta, and Florida cities are gaining from this greatly.

GT, FSU,and Miami have lost ground to UGA and Fla and SEC allure..dominating in what once were fragmented talent pool states..

LSU raiding H-Town, lately Dallas, and other Texas towns..SEC allure..

Tenn always a national recruiter in a weak talent state..

OSU, PSU, and Mich the best of Big-10 national recruiters..with PSU and Mich having faded a bit from former dominance..

Ill, Iowa, Wisky, MSU..get really good yet 2nd tiered Florida/Deep South kids for the most part.
Posted by Tebow4ReElection
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 5:43 pm to
Short answer: both.

I had not really thought of it as penalizing the SEC, but I get what you mean. The new rule will certainly cause the average SEC school to have fewer recruits to choose from as they whittle down their class between February and August to meet the NCAA's 85 and 25 limits.

In the 4 years from 2004-2007, Big Ten programs averaged 85 recruiting commitments. In that same period, SEC schools averaged 101 signings. That is a difference of 16. So for a 4 year period, the average SEC school signs practically an entire extra recruiting class.

Now that SEC schools will not be able to oversign quite so egregiously, those extra recruits will have to choose another school if they want a football scholarship. Many of them undoubtedly will choose Big Ten schools.

This will also have an effect on the SEC's use of junior colleges as a sort of farm system. In the past, oversigned recruits would often resort to junior college after being removed from the program of their choice in that program's effort to comply with the NCAA's 85 and 25 limits and/or as a result of their own academic or legal problems. Although not required to do so, those recruits would typically use junior college to prepare for another shot at joining the program to which they originally committed.

Those junior college relationships have been very important to several SEC schools because they can basically pick and choose from their former recruiting casualties who went the juco route to better prepare themselves, physically and mentally, for Division I FBS football.

Another way schools have managed to stay within the NCAA's 85 scholarship limit despite oversigning is to decide not to renew the scholarship of a current player who is unlikely to contribute significant playing time to make room for a new recruit with better potential. That is just another advantage that should be reduced somewhat by the SEC's new rule.
This post was edited on 8/9/09 at 6:25 pm
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 5:48 pm to
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. For example Pac-tards are beating their chest about going undefeated


The Pac-1 is the Mountain West's beyotch.

They really need a couple of cold-weather bowl games. Someplace like Green Bay or Buffalo. Let's see the Pac-1 go there in January and beat the Big Ten. (Yeah yeah, same thing applies to the SEC).
Posted by Kige Ramsey
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 6:30 pm to
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Posted by EmperorGout
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Posted on 8/9/09 at 6:39 pm to
I don't think the Big 10 is as bad as their national perception. I think recent faceplants on the biggest stage by OSU (sorry ) have really hurt the conference reputation overall. I remember Wisconsin giving a few SEC teams all they could handle in bowl games...as did a motivated Michigan team.

I also think that part of the Big 10 backlash is directly related to the obnoxiousness of Kirk Herbstreit and ESPN during the 2006 season. A countdown for OSU/Michigan? Really? You couldn't even turn on ESPN that year without seeing Herbie claiming the Big 10 was the best in the land, "led by Ohio State and Michigan." It got tiresome.
This post was edited on 8/9/09 at 6:40 pm
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