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re: What would it take for Derrick Henry to be the GOAT RB?
Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:46 am to TheeRealCarolina
Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:46 am to TheeRealCarolina
No he doesn't. Sanders had an awesome line. That has been debunked many, many times. Smith was a more consistent and tougher runner. He got the hard yards and he won.
How do you compare the two and conclude that Sanders had a better career? By what metric? More explosive plays? More highlights?
Seriously just look at playoffs stats, which are never included in totals. It's beyond a landslide. You are elevating a RB to GOAT status that has less of a postseason resume than Reggie Bush. He never showed up in any games that mattered. How is that a legendary career?
How do you compare the two and conclude that Sanders had a better career? By what metric? More explosive plays? More highlights?
Seriously just look at playoffs stats, which are never included in totals. It's beyond a landslide. You are elevating a RB to GOAT status that has less of a postseason resume than Reggie Bush. He never showed up in any games that mattered. How is that a legendary career?
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Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:51 am to brmark70816
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He never showed up in any games that mattered. How is that a legendary career?
Does that still happen if Sanders played for the Cowboys?
Posted on 9/22/21 at 9:59 am to c on z
You are elevating his career by supposing he played somewhere else and had more success?
I can do that all day. Suppose Bo went to the 49ers, played FB full time and never got hurt. Now he has 5 rings, every rushing record and both Smith and Sanders are afterthoughts. Is that how it works?
I can do that all day. Suppose Bo went to the 49ers, played FB full time and never got hurt. Now he has 5 rings, every rushing record and both Smith and Sanders are afterthoughts. Is that how it works?
Posted on 9/22/21 at 10:14 am to MontyFranklyn
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Most games with 175 rush yards and 3 rush TD, among RBs on active roster
Derrick Henry: 4
Rest of NFL combined: 1
LINK
Posted on 9/22/21 at 11:02 am to bamameister
quote:Jim Brown & OJ didn't get to play in spread offenses with 5 or 6 Defensive backs whiffing & arm tackling. Blocking schemes today allow lineman to grab/ hold defenders , but before 1978 O linemen weren't allowed to extend their arms & grab defenders.
In this pass-happy era of football, this is amazing stuff. Jim Brown lived in a different football galaxy.
Simpson's 2000 yd season( 14 games) his QB stats were abysmal: Joe Ferguson completed 44% of his passes for 939 yds / 4 td's/ 10 ints. in 14 starts. Bills went
9-5.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 11:17 am to MontyFranklyn
Jim Brown had like 9 rushing titles and 3 MVPs as a running back.
Gonna be hard to ever eclipse that.
Gonna be hard to ever eclipse that.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 11:19 am to MontyFranklyn
quote:I guess so , but Simpson ran for 2003 & 1820 in 14 games not 16/17 games. (Simpson's QB completed 44% of his passes 4 td's/10 ints & 939 yds in his 2000 yd season).
Wouldn't another 2K season put him in a category by himself as the only RB to have multiple 2K Yard seasons?
Jim Brown played in 12 games half of career. Nearly 1900 yds in 14 games once. They'll be 18 games soon & I'm sure many more milestones will be broken.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:11 pm to TTsTowel
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had a dog shite OL
The truth is he played with a middle of the pack OL: Lomas Brown was one of the best offensive linemen of the decade as was Kevin Glover so that improved their reputation to a degree. Not arguing he played with the Great Wall of Dallas but to act like Sanders played with Walter Payton's Bears OL (which produced 0 Pro Bowlers or All-Pro players the first 10 years of Payton's career) is disingenuous.
This post was edited on 9/22/21 at 8:24 pm
Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:14 pm to GoldLiger
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Eye test his peak isnt better than Adrian Peterson's or Ladainians.
Longevity will never surpass Emmitt Smith or Barry Sanders.
Adrian Peterson is the best one I got to watch a lot. I was just a bit too young during Barry Sanders's peak to really remember it.
Derrick Henry is awesome but he is not better than Adrian Peterson at his best. Peterson ripping off a 2000 yard season in 2012 after tearing his ACL in November 2011 was unreal.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:22 pm to brmark70816
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I don't understand people that put Sanders over Smith.
Sanders was the more spectacular player who somehow produced ungodly rushing numbers in a shorter period of time than Smith despite accumulating the most negative yards ever, never truly playing with a credible passing attack to prevent defenses from selling out to stop him, and playing with a, more truthfully, relatively average offensive line with a mixture of stars and expendable linemen compared to the Great Wall of Dallas. All that said, I think Smith was the better all-around back at doing everything at an elite level: running, receiving (for a halfback), blocking, goalline performance, reading blocks and making the right play for his team. Smith did pretty much everything skeptics would expect him to do given the advantages he had over most every other running back in the league. People can have reasonable disagreements over Sanders and Smith.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:25 pm to ThePTExperience1969
If he can put up 2 more 2k seasons, he’ll easily get into the HOF.
I’m regards to being the goat? Not sure it’s possible.
I’m regards to being the goat? Not sure it’s possible.
Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:28 pm to sugar71
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Simpson's 2000 yd season( 14 games) his QB stats were abysmal: Joe Ferguson completed 44% of his passes for 939 yds / 4 td's/ 10 ints. in 14 starts. Bills went
9-5.
His 1975 season was arguably better than his 2000 yd season: the dude scored 23 touchdowns both rushing and receiving and 2200 total yards of offense (better than his total yards in 2000 yd season), he set the single-season touchdown record that year BTW
Posted on 9/22/21 at 8:37 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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Barry played in 153 and started 151. He retired early compared to his ability, but it’s not like he was a 6 year guy. He played in 10 seasons. He retired at 30 when most backs start to decline. Could he have played another 3-4 years at a declining rate? Sure. But why?
Barry's a very understated enigma as a player, he didn't showboat or do any of that nonsense but it can't be forgotten he abruptly retired without any notice to the Lions on the eve of the 99 season, was not remotely anything close to a locker room leader for a team which needed one, was aloof to many of his teammates, etc. All this gets overlooked bc Barry didn't conduct himself like a diva showboat on the field and there's a lot to be said and commended for that however 2 things can be true concerning Barry's reputation as a player.
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