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re: What school has the highest standards for ATH admission: Duke, ND or Standford?
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:08 pm to Buckeye06
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:08 pm to Buckeye06
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My friend went there on a scholarship for a non-revenue sport, and when the SAT was on a 1600 scale, got like a 1270. Respectable score, but he wasn't getting in without athletics.
Almost every school offers "academic waivers." Their athletes aren't on par academically with the general student body.
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Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:08 pm to Walking the Earth
quote:I cant think of one lsu player in recent years who couldnt play once he got here because of grades either. But to respond to your post, if it is almost damn near impossible to recruit like yall say why would any good coach like Shaw not jump at ever other offer that comes his way? And why would coaches dream of the ND job? Look im not trying to call anyone out, just offering information i have. It is no big deal to disagree
Plus, Stanford isn't really having a problem with academically ineligible players so they obviously can do the work.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:10 pm to OFWHAP
That applies to a lot of the highly selective colleges. They don't want you flunking out if you've been judged to be (insert name) material.
It makes them look bad.
Now, to be fair, Stanford admits quite a few people each year that (on paper) fall well below the averages. lsupride87 poster is making the mistake that all of those admits are functionally illiterate five star ball recruits, though.
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It makes them look bad.
Now, to be fair, Stanford admits quite a few people each year that (on paper) fall well below the averages. lsupride87 poster is making the mistake that all of those admits are functionally illiterate five star ball recruits, though.
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This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:11 pm to OFWHAP
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I'm not saying that the course load isn't challenging, but Stanford's known for not letting its students fall behind academically.
The academic help athletes get is monumental.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:11 pm to SaintCajun
quote:Because so far I am the only one who has stated the credentials i have. No one else has mentioned anything first hand except of friends or people they know. If you would like to say what first hand knowledge you have go ahead. I am not stopping you. But do not spout off about someone talking out of their arse when you yourself have not offered any experience to the conversation.
you try and justify it by saying things like:
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:13 pm to Walking the Earth
quote:No, I am not. If you say that that I can say yall are making the mistake of assuming other schools never sign literate players. My point is the coaches at Stanford and Nd do not face the recruiting blocks that many seem to beleive
lsupride87 poster is making the mistake that all of those admits are functionally illiterate five star ball recruits, though.
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 3:20 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:It truly is. One must try and fail. Seriously
The academic help athletes get is monumental.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:20 pm to lsupride87
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It truly is. One must try and fail. Seriously
Stanford has a six year graduation rate of 95%. That applies to all of the students.
Once again, these top colleges aren't going to admit students that are going to flunk out. Do they make mistakes? Absolutely. But this implication that Stanford is a football factory in disguise is absurd. What do they get out of that, if true? They're already rejecting 92% of their applicants.
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 3:21 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:24 pm to Walking the Earth
quote:1% of Stanfords admitted class of 2,200 had below a 24 on the Act. So 22 students. About how many students do we sign again in football? You realize graduation rates or also effected by early entry as well. Oklahoma had a rate of 47% last year and Rutgers had a rate of 91% last year while stanford had 90%. So is Rutgers better than stanford? Hell no not even close. I dont know why we are bringing up graduation rates.
Stanford has a six year graduation rate of 95%. That applies to all of the students.
Once again, these top colleges aren't going to admit students that are going to flunk out. Do they make mistakes? Absolutely. But this implication that Stanford is a football factory in disguise is absurd. What do they get out of that, if true? They're already rejecting 92% of their applicants.
ETA: IN 2011, Miami had a higher graduation rate then stanford. Sucks that Miami cant recruit dumb players either
This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:34 pm to Walking the Earth
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But this implication that Stanford is a football factory in disguise is absurd.
Many of their athletes would not attend if not for athletics. Their athletes, like any major college, aren't bearing the brunt of their education alone. They got a hell of a lot of help.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:34 pm to lsupride87
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I dont know why we are bringing up graduation rates.
Do you have a better method of judging whether the admitted students can successfully handle the workload?
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1% of Stanfords admitted class of 2,200 had below a 24 on the Act. So 22 students. About how many students do we sign again in football?
So now we've gone from "Stanford admits some football players with below average scores" to "Stanford exclusively admits football players with below average scores"
Once again, if this were true, Stanford would have the number one recruiting class annually. Players would be stupid to go anywhere else.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Their athletes, like any major college, aren't bearing the brunt of their education alone. They got a hell of a lot of help.
They should. Their workload these days is tremendous.
And (yet again) the Stanfords and Harvards of the world try to keep their admitted students admitted. Most of the professors don't make it a point of pride to note how many students fail their classes.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:36 pm to Walking the Earth
quote:In 2011Miami had a higher graduation rate than Stanford. So according to you, Miami must recruit even higher quality players that Stanford correct? Most schools are between 75-85% depending on the year. Schools like Stanford will usually be a little higher for the reason i stated earlier. Their average to below average players will be unreal students while other schools arent
Do you have a better method of judging whether the admitted students can successfully handle the workload?
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:37 pm to Walking the Earth
quote:And what the hell does this have to do with them letting in kids for football?
And (yet again) the Stanfords and Harvards of the world try to keep their admitted students admitted. Most of the professors don't make it a point of pride to note how many students fail their classe
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:39 pm to Walking the Earth
quote:Umm everywhere else lets them in too buddy
Once again, if this were true, Stanford would have the number one recruiting class annually. Players would be stupid to go anywhere else
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:41 pm to lsupride87
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Umm everywhere else lets them in too buddy
So everybody is rejecting a Stanford degree to go to Nebraska or Alabama or Florida. OK.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:42 pm to Walking the Earth
quote:I am really sure Speedy Noil and Leonard Fournette are worried about the academic prowess of the universities they chose
So everybody is rejecting a Stanford degree to go to Nebraska or Alabama or Florida. OK.
And yes, most kids would rather play football for the schools you listed over Stanford.This post was edited on 1/3/14 at 3:43 pm
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:42 pm to lsupride87
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In 2011Miami had a higher graduation rate than Stanford. So according to you, Miami must recruit even higher quality players that Stanford correct?
No but it means they are recruiting players that can handle the curriculum. Just like Stanford is obviously recruiting players that can handle their course load.
Seems pretty evident to me.
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:43 pm to Walking the Earth
quote:Ok, then so is most every school in the NCAA
No but it means they are recruiting players that can handle the curriculum. Just like Stanford is obviously recruiting players that can handle their course load.
Seems pretty evident to me
Posted on 1/3/14 at 3:45 pm to Walking the Earth
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Once again, if this were true, Stanford would have the number one recruiting class annually. Players would be stupid to go anywhere else
Stanford recruits fairly well. Better than most schools known for their academic prowess.
They certainly don't recruit dummies, but their average athlete isn't on par with their average student.
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