re: What in the world is going down in Waco? (Update: Player found guilty of sexual assault)

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Again, absolutely not true. He was cleared to play for Boise the following year. The transfer approval form said he was my kicked off the team for any disciplinary action.

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this is false. It was a grand jury indictment

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Maybe you can use your expert knowledge to explain to us the probation verdict from the jury? Probation. For Rape.

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As a former prosecutor, I expected probation due to his limited criminal history and the likely conflicting evidence that came out at trial. 10 years probation is the maximum allowed by law no matter what the jail sentence at issue is.

The 180 days is probably what is referred to as "shock probation" which is what we used to call going to stare or county jail for 6 months before going on long-term probation. It is also a sign that if the probationer messes up, the judge is going to revoke his probation and send the maximum sentence.

The most important fact in play I have not seen mention - how many years of prison is at issue in the underlying conviction. That number reflects the probationer could go to jail if his probation is revoked. For example, the judgment might read - "25 years confinement in TDCJ, confinement is suspended and defendant is placed on community supervision for a term of 10 years." If he screwed up, failed a drug test, whatever, he could go to prison for a max of 25 years.

Thus, I expect the judge to have assigned the max sentence since he gave probation.

IF the judge didn't (and for example did 8 years probated for 10 years), I would view that as absolute bias as a BU grad and the prosecutor should be in complete uproar

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An indictment by a grand jury, despite your friend's belief, is not based upon someone simply accusing him. It's based upon evidence presented to a jury to decide whether or not there is enough to proceed to trial. They look at the available evidence and if there isn't enough, they don't indict. Maybe they investigate further. Maybe it's dropped.

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Maybe. Again, I'm not sure why you keep circling back to what happened at Boise. It's irrelevant. He didn't even get arrested at Boise.

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Isn't this an extremely low bar to reach?

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Aren't most cases found to have enough evidence to go to trial?

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The entire point of the Boise discussion is to determine what Briles knew about Sam U history at Boise and what Petersen communicated to Briles. Most calling for Briles to be fired are doing so because they are saying he willingly brought in a troubled person with a violent past and put Baylor students at risk so his team could be better.

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Art Briles was caught in a lie when he told media that he was completely unaware of Ukwuachu's violent past and dismissal from Boise State's program when he welcomed him to Baylor's program and campus. Was Briles also unaware of Mike Orakpo's violent history and dismissal from Colorado State's program when he welcomed him to Baylor's program and campus? Was he aware of Tevin Elliot's violent character when he welcomed him to Baylor's campus? (see Jan 2014 - conviction for violent, serial rapes).

Was Briles aware of Daryl Stonum's three run-ins with the law (and two DUI convictions) when he welcomed him to Baylor's program and campus after being kicked out of Michigan's program? Was Briles aware that Ahmad Dixon had been arrested for criminal assault while he continued to play him during the 2013 season on the basis that he was not actually incarcerated at the time of the games?

Mike Orakpo, LB Orakpo was recruited to Baylor after being expelled from Colorado State University following an arrest for a savage beating that injured four people, two of them seriously, and led to a drug probe when police found evidence of drugs and anabolic steroid at his residence. According to a 90-page police report, a search of Orakpos and another expelled CSUs residence yielded foil packages marked as anabolic steroids, as well as hypodermic needles, nine unmarked vials, eight of them refrigerated, and three used syringes. Possession of anabolic steroids is a felony in Colorado (but apparently not in Waco). With full knowledge of Orakpo's issues, Briles welcomed him to Baylor.


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Tevin Elliot, DE - Baylor player recruited by Briles who was sentenced to twenty years in prison and a $10,000 fine after being convicted in January 2014 of raping and sexually assaulting four Baylor women, including a freshman girl twice at a party at a Waco apartment complex. Prosecutor LaBorde called Elliott a violent serial rapist who cant admit he did anything wrong because he doesnt think he did anything wrong. Briles called Elliott a sweet young man who was a good football player and deserved a second chance.

According to an arrest warrant affidavit, one of the victims, who was a freshman student at Baylor University, told officers she went to the party on April 15 at the Aspen Heights apartments at 3344 South 3rd St. and while there, met Elliott. At some point, Elliott asked her to go outside with him and although she said she didn't want to go, she told officers he was persistent, the affidavit said. As they went outside, the affidavit said, Elliott "picked up the victim and took her to the pool area and volleyball court area where she was sexually assaulted twice" telling Elliott on several occasions "she did not want this." The victim later returned to the party and told an unidentified witness about the attack. That person took her to Hillcrest Baptist Medical Center, the affidavit said, and police were called a short time later.

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Josh Gordon, WR arrested by police after being found stoned and asleep in the Taco Bell drive-thru at 3:30 am on Wed night prior to game with Tech. Briles played Gordon against Tech (but held him out of warm ups and Baylor's first drive as punishment) and said he was sticking by him because he was his kind of player. Gordon eventually left the Baylor program because of his third arrest for drugs in Waco, transferred to Utah where he never played because of failing another drug test and ended up at San Diego State. However, Baylor claims Gordon as one of the players it has put in the NFL. Gordon was suspended from the Cleveland Browns for a year for failing yet another drug test.

Daryl Stonum, WR kicked out of Michigan following his third run-in with the law in three years at Michigan. When dismissed, Stonum was just coming off a season-long suspension in response to his second DUI arrest. Briles welcomed Stonum to Baylor's progam and campus.

Lache Seastrunk, RB Recruited to Baylor under questionable circumstances after initially signing with Oregon after street-Dr Fistula Willie Lyles was found to have accepted a $25K payment for delivering the recruit and leaving Oregon under investigation by a toothless NCAA.


Shawn Oakman, DE Recruited to Baylor after kicked out of Penn States football program (and they put up with a lot at PSU) for theft.


Sam Ukwuachu, DE Recruited to Baylor after being kicked out of Boise State following an arrest and an unspecified violation of team rules. Ukwuachu started in 12 games for Boise State as a freshman and was named a freshman All-American; however, he is no longer welcome at Boise State. Briles welcomed Ukwuachu to Baylor's football program and campus.


Ahmad Dixon, DB Dixon was represented by a street Dr Fistula during his recruitment and surprisingly decommitted from Texas to sign with Baylor, the first 4-star player to sign with Baylor during their streak of winless seasons. Dixon was arrested for criminal assault last last September during the season. According to the Waco Police Department, the 21-year-old male victim arrived at an apartment where Dixon and his friends were playing video games on the night of Sept. 16. Dixon became angry and began to assault the victim, punching him numerous times in his face and head causing pain and injury and a possible concussion. The victim waited until the next day to report the assault after Dixon made threats to the victim and victims family . Waco police arrested Dixon who was subsequently bonded out of McLennan County Jail. Briles continued to play Dixon during every game that season because he was not actually incarcerated at the time of the games.

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Still not sure how I feel about treating someone as guilty before being proven guilty. Not sure how it would also affect liability Baylor could also face from the accuse if they end up being innocent.

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