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re: This is why Super Bowl rings are mostly irrelevant

Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:27 am to
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:27 am to
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Agreed. If Lynch scores what changed about Brady?

He was about to lose another Super Bowl on a fluke play after leading another potential game-winning drive.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:32 am to
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I mean I guess we are looking at ur post wrong. Does it make him greater he won? Maybe maybe not. But does it change his legacy? Yes.
For the most part, you're right here.

Again personally, just my take, his legacy is based on how good I think he is, not really how many MVPs he won, SB MVPs, or Super Bowls. There's a difference IMO. I just judge what I saw in the games. An award a sportswriter or whoever decided on that gave a player is irrelevant to me. Super Bowl wins are relevant in that if you're that good, odds are you'll win 1 or more, but there are outliers that downplay the significance of the(Marino/Bradshaw the 2 obvious ones)

But generally speaking, you're on the right track to my premise for the most part.
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:35 am to
I was hammered drunk and couldn't hear the announcers during the game... but

Why the frick weren't the Pats taking timeouts at the end to preserve some time for Brady?
Posted by dukke v
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:37 am to
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irrelevant to my point.



So you are saying that Seattle LOST the game and NE didn't WIN the game....
Posted by ZeeDustin
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:38 am to
Belli said their offense looked unorganized so he gambled on a bad play call.
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:38 am to
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Belli said their offense looked unorganized so he gambled on a bad play call.

For real?

Awesome.
Posted by Judge Smails
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:39 am to
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Again personally, just my take, his legacy is based on how good I think he is, not really how many MVPs he won, SB MVPs, or Super Bowls.


I agree with your premise but you're intelligent enough to understand that what you're debating here reflects "one man's opinion" and the masses look at SB rings, MVP's, & career wins/stats.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:44 am to
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Why the frick weren't the Pats taking timeouts at the end to preserve some time for Brady?
I wasn't hammered drunk lol. But I don't pay much attention to play by play, but Belichick woulda gotten hammered ahd SEA scored there, and rightfully so.

So to answer your question, uhh I don't know.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:44 am to
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So you are saying that Seattle LOST the game and NE didn't WIN the game
No, NE won and SEA lost.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:45 am to
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I agree with your premise but you're intelligent enough to understand that what you're debating here reflects "one man's opinion" and the masses look at SB rings, MVP's, & career wins/stats
Oh I definitely understand.

But if thist thread can just change 1 person's opinion, it would be all worth it!!!
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:45 am to
Seattle got that lucky arse catch and shouldn't have even been on the goal line. The ball don't lie though, and the pats got it back.

How it happened may have been sketchy, but the end result is what should have happened.
Posted by Patrick_Bateman
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:46 am to
This thread is basically equivalent to saying, "Winning is mostly irrelevant."

I mean, win or lose, the players are just as good either way. Right?
Posted by GeeOH
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:50 am to
You said it was irrelevant.

It's not. Actually is probably his most relevant.

So I figured something had you on tilt to make that comment. Also, loving Brady doesn't mean you bet on NE.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:50 am to
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This thread is basically equivalent to saying, "Winning is mostly irrelevant."

I mean, win or lose, the players are just as good either way. Right?
Let me make an extreme hypothetical and you can use it to answer that question:

Regular season brady is the exact same thing, he performed exactly the same in every game of his career. But he played on a team that gave up 50 points exactly in every game of his career.

Is regular season Brady not as good in that scenario as regular season Brady in reality? I don't think there's one shred of a difference between the 2 Bradys.

Or you can do it with the defense never giving up a single point in his career, either way you like, it doesn't change how good Brady is.

I've brought up Marino/Bradshaw probably close to 10 times in this thread and I don't think anyone has responded to it yet. How relevant is winning those Super Bowls in your determination of who is better between Marino and Bradshaw? I'm guessing not very, right?
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:51 am to
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You said it was irrelevant
False

quote:

It's not. Actually is probably his most relevant
Disagree

quote:

So I figured something had you on tilt to make that comment. Also, loving Brady doesn't mean you bet on NE
I only bet on basketball, daily.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 7:52 am
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:55 am to
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Brady is no better or worse because Pete Carroll made the biggest coaching gaffe in the history of coaching gaffes.

3 rings, 4 rings, he's literally no different of a QB, no better or worse.



They were down 10 points late in the superbowl and he drove his team down the field for 2 touch downs on the last two drives to win the SUPER BOWL. Like it or not, Brady is Montana status now. Actually he passes Montana in my book, in terms of Greatness.
Posted by shel311
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 7:59 am to
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Like it or not, Brady is Montana status now

Actually he passes Montana in my book, in terms of Greatness.


I had him ahead of Montana probably multiple seasons ago, so I'm not sure why you'd say "like it or not"

I have him #2 overall, so it's definitely getting lost in translation into thinking I'm downplaying Brady.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 8:00 am
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:03 am to
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so I'm not sure why you'd say "like it or not"


that was for me actually.


I'm not a fan of Brady and now will say he is the Greatest QB ever. I do think other QB's are more skilled then he is......Peyton, Elway, Marino.... Just saying I do now think Brady is the "Greatest" so to speak......and I don't like it. lol
Posted by shel311
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Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:05 am to
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saying I do now think Brady is the "Greatest" so to speak......and I don't like it. lol
Ahh, gotcha.

I gotr Rodgers 1, Brady 2.

I've never seen anyone play at a level as high as Rodgers for a sustained period of time.
Posted by BayouBengals03
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Posted on 2/2/15 at 8:05 am to
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