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re: "The Worst Rule in Football" still needs to be changed.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:56 am to chalmetteowl
Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:56 am to chalmetteowl
quote:So why give it to the defense who definitely didn't have it?
the touchback out the end zone rule makes sense bc when the ball is fumbled, it's nobody's ball... you can't give the offense back what they didn't have.
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 9:58 am to Korkstand
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:04 am to ballscaster
quote:It is merciless, but that's why it's not so great. There are elements of chance in football, like any sport, and that's a good thing. But there shouldn't be an element of chance that turns the tables SO much. Losing possession is bad enough, but losing 20 yards of field position too? And the defense didn't even have to earn it?! It's a dumb rule. Not great at all.
That 100 yards is neutral. The end zones are not. The end zone belongs to a team. When you put it in your opponent's end zone, the ball belongs to them. Best have possession of it if you do that so you can score points.
It's a great, merciless rule.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:05 am to Korkstand
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:07 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:I propose the simple, fair, and extremely obvious solution: the offense gets the ball where they lost it, just like what happens when they fumble anywhere else on the field and the ball goes forward and out of bounds.
What do you propose?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:08 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:That's half of it. The other half is to recover the ball.
Defense knocked the ball out.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:11 am to Korkstand
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:12 am to Korkstand
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:25 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Why should they? Fumbling is its own penalty IF the defense finishes the play.
Offense doesn't get penalized at all for fumbling and being careless with the football with your rule.
quote:The main problem with this rule (and all touchback rules) is the 20 yard line is so arbitrary. What is special about the 20?
If we're going to change the rule, I would prefer to set the offense back at the 20 yard line and move on to the next down.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:25 am to Korkstand
quote:thats weird because first and five is a much better reward than first and ten.
Illegal contact and defensive holding are two 5 yard penalties that give an automatic first down
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:28 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:But the defense also failed to recover the ball, a vital component of a turnover. And not only are they rewarded for this failure by gaining possession, but they get a bonus 20 yards to boot!
True. But don't act like the defense didn't do anything to earn it.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:28 am to Korkstand
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:30 am to beaverfever
quote:Not if it happens on 3rd and 10.
thats weird because first and five is a much better reward than first and ten.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:41 am to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Why do you think there should be some harsh penalty for something with so much chance involved? It is by far the harshest penalty in the game, far more harsh than any other. A guy can rip an opponent's helmet off and punch him in the face, and it doesn't hurt the team as much as a fumble that the defense couldn't even manage to recover.
I think there should be a harsher penalty than getting the ball back at the one inch line with a near guarantee for a TD after fumbling out of your opponent's endzone.
quote:"That just happens to be it" is an acceptable answer to you? Twenty yards is a LOT of field position. There is no justification, no rhyme or reason. It's just a freebie 20 yards in a game where you're supposed to earn every inch. It just doesn't sit right.
Nothing. A yardline has to be picked and that just happens to be it.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:47 am to Korkstand
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Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:57 am to Korkstand
quote:What is special is the ball. When the ball is downed in the end zone, it belongs to the team who owns that end zone. Better hold onto it if you want points. That's how special the ball is. The ball is so special that the sport is named after it.
No doubt the endzone is special. But is it so special that 1 inch should be the difference between keeping possession with a prime scoring opportunity, vs. losing possession AND essentially being penalized 20 yards?
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:58 am to Korkstand
quote:They have it in their end zone. It's their ball.
So why give it to the defense who definitely didn't have it?
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 10:59 am
Posted on 10/6/15 at 10:59 am to Korkstand
quote:They kept the offense from possessing the ball in their end zone. The ball belongs to them.
And the defense didn't even have to earn it?!
This post was edited on 10/6/15 at 11:04 am
Posted on 10/6/15 at 11:02 am to Korkstand
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If you don't give the automatic first down, then the defense can intentionally commit 5 yard penalties five plays in a row, and hope that the refs miss it once. The idea is that most defensive penalties deprive the offense of the chance to gain first down yardage. If you don't award an automatic first down for certain defensive penalties, then you are encouraging intentional penalties. That's never good.
This.
Posted on 10/6/15 at 11:03 am to Korkstand
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the offense gets the ball
quote:They lost it. They don't have it anymore. It's in the other team's end zone. If they want it back, they have to get it from the other team.
they lost it
This is football.
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