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re: The Rooney Rule
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:19 pm to bayou2003
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:19 pm to bayou2003
I mean, there's no question that the Rooney rule is working. More Black HC's are getting shots and more are succeeding. I think the question is why some felt like a rule like this was needed in the first place.
With Black guys making up an overwhelming majority of NFL Football players for the better part of a generation, was the thinking that they just had no interest in coaching or was there a glass ceiling?
With Black guys making up an overwhelming majority of NFL Football players for the better part of a generation, was the thinking that they just had no interest in coaching or was there a glass ceiling?
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Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:19 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Funny how you didn't say this 10-15 years ago when qualified black assistants had a hard time getting interviews
I've said this my whole fricking life, you want to make any more moronic assumptions
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:19 pm to WikiTiger
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Why do you support special rules for certain segments of the population?
If you were a true promoter of a level playing field then you would support my proposition that all teams be a reflection of the American population. Why do you hate white people so much?
he made two legitimate points and this is your rebuttal? You're better than this.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:19 pm to bayou2003
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Smith and Tomlin said the rule helped them get HC jobs
Tomlin? The Steelers had already interviewed Ron Rivera so they didn't even have to talk to him, and I don't know of any previous interviews he had.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:21 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Funny how you didn't say this 10-15 years ago when qualified black assistants had a hard time getting interviews.
They only wants THEM to run dat football, score dem touchdowns, catch dat ball. You know how that goes.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:22 pm to Bestbank Tiger
Why are conservatives mad about this? NFL owners are wealthy and largely Republican and economically conservative. Lamar Hunt was practically a Bircher.
The NFL did this in response to market forces and pressure. A lot of their fans are minorities and the NFL didn't want to appear to be discrimatory against a large segment of their fanbase.
Plus the percentage of head coaches in the NFL was not consistent with the percentage of players who are minorities. Most courts have said that is a sign of discrimination in an organization or business.
The NFL did this in response to market forces and pressure. A lot of their fans are minorities and the NFL didn't want to appear to be discrimatory against a large segment of their fanbase.
Plus the percentage of head coaches in the NFL was not consistent with the percentage of players who are minorities. Most courts have said that is a sign of discrimination in an organization or business.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:23 pm to LfcSU3520
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he made two legitimate points and this is your rebuttal? You're better than this.
Because I am exposing the hypocrisy of the supporters of the Rooney Rule.
They claim its about fairness but its really not. It's about creating an advantage for certain politically correct segments of the population.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:23 pm to bayou2003
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run dat football, score dem touchdowns, catch dat ball.
The whoopi goldberg blackface minstrel show do I have to worry about being a slave routine. Liberals can't resist it. Thanks for not disappointing me.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:24 pm to WikiTiger
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Blacks are overrepresented in all of those leagues.
Why are supporters of the Rooney Rule so hesitant to support true equality on the playing field?
It sounds like hypocrisy to me.
Look up the history of the NFL. They tried doing that in the past, nobody complained. Blacks went to the AFL. Look it up. NFL caved in.
Most NCAA football teams in the south also caved in when northern teams starting getting more blacks. Lets go back to the way things were in the old days if you want :)
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:25 pm to WikiTiger
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Because I am exposing the hypocrisy of the supporters of the Rooney Rule.
i see what you're doing and your original post made me really think.
But I thought his response was pretty solid but you didn't even address it.
I have a decision to make here! Debate for me clowns!!
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:27 pm to bayou2003
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Look up the history of the NFL. They tried doing that in the past, nobody complained. Blacks went to the AFL. Look it up. NFL caved in.
So, AGAIN, it's not about fairness. If the over-representation of a politically correct segment benefits them, then HOORAY! If not, then they must institute some rules to address the issue. Is that right??
It's just hypocrisy at its finest.
I fully support the owners ability to make whatever rules they want. But that doesn't mean they aren't hypocrites and so are supporters of the Rooney Rule.
This post was edited on 1/2/11 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:27 pm to Bench McElroy
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If the NFL really wanted to help out black coaches, they would make a Rooney rule for assistant coaches instead of head coaches. The biggest problem is the lack of qualified black assistants in the NFL today. When Mike freaking Singletary is getting interviews for NFL head coaching positions despite never being a coordinator and having very little experience as a coach, it tells me there aren't many qualified guys out there. That's where the Rooney rule can help. Give black coaches more opportunities to prove themselves as assistants and everything will take care of itself.
Blacks and minorities have been assistants for years; thats not he problem. The problem is these guys being stuck as coordinators and position coaches for 15-20 years
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:29 pm to LfcSU3520
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i see what you're doing and your original post made me really think.
But I thought his response was pretty solid but you didn't even address it.
I have a decision to make here! Debate for me clowns!!
Hey made a very good point about the measurable's of wide receivers.
My point is the whole fairness concept. If they are going to use that to justify some rules and not others then its obvious that its not really about fairness.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:29 pm to trackfan
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Before this rule was put into place, Black coaches had trouble getting interviews, and thereby establish some type of rapport with the owners who were all White, while White coaches already had established relationships with the owners socially away from football, and thereby didn't need to interview. It was Dan Rooney's best attempt to try and open doors for Black coaches that would otherwise be closed.
+1
Good ole boys system.
The Rooney Rule is trying to eliminate that or at least add a different demographic to it
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:31 pm to StrongSafety
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It was Dan Rooney's best attempt to give a certain group something based on their skin color
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:33 pm to WikiTiger
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My point is the whole fairness concept. If they are going to use that to justify some rules and not others then its obvious that its not really about fairness.
such as?
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:34 pm to WikiTiger
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Blacks are overrepresented in all of those leagues.
Why are supporters of the Rooney Rule so hesitant to support true equality on the playing field?
It sounds like hypocrisy to me.
Yet out of all those sports, there is 1 minority majority owner (Michael Jordan)
So who really has all the power? When Jordan walks into an owners meeting, I can gurantee you he is the only non-white owner there, out of all sports.
Theres representation, but no power.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:35 pm to WikiTiger
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If they are going to use that to justify some rules and not others then its obvious that its not really about fairness.
It's always been about maximizing opportunities for minorities.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:37 pm to LfcSU3520
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such as?
Like I said before, if they were really concerned with fairness then all areas of the organization should be representative of the population.
Blacks should be 12% of players and coaches. Whites about 65%. Hispanics about 15%, etc.
I'm not really advocating that. I'm simply pointing out that supporters of the Rooney Rule obviously don't support that, but if they wanted to be consistent then they would.
Posted on 1/2/11 at 8:38 pm to StrongSafety
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Theres representation, but no power
STRONGSAFETY BRINGING IN "BLACK PEOPLE CAN'T BE RACIST"
YESSSS!!
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