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re: The NCAA and USC
Posted on 2/5/10 at 1:05 pm to Orange Daisy
Posted on 2/5/10 at 1:05 pm to Orange Daisy
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what is your opinions on what the ncaa will do, could do, should do?
"Should do" is kind of tough. None of us know all of the details.
I think the NCAA is likely to level a stiff punishinment, but not a crippling one. They can't afford to look weak in this whole deal. There is too much stuff that's already been made public for the NCAA to gloss over it.
That said, I would expect something like 2 years of post-season ban, and a loss of 3 to 4 schollies per year over 5 years, or 5 to 6 per year over 3.
I don't think the NCAA will dish out the TV ban again, as that affects the innocent just as much as the guilty.
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Posted on 2/5/10 at 1:14 pm to bamawriter
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They can't afford to look weak in this whole deal
sure they can.
they have no competition, they can whatever they please.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 1:31 pm to el tigre
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hey have no competition, they can whatever they please.
There is one saving grace that keeps the NCAA from being 100% aribitrary, and that's the fact that the Infractions Committee is separate from the Appeals Committee. The Appeals Committee has shown the tendency to force the Infractions Committee to follow its own precedent.
If the IC comes down weak on USC, then it will be open season for the rest of the nation. There will be a precedent created that other teams will exploit. The only way the IC could go easy on USC and not worry about precedent would be to announce no infractions, which seems very unlikely since they've asked USC to attend the February meeting.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 2:06 pm to bamawriter
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There is one saving grace that keeps the NCAA from being 100% aribitrary, and that's the fact that the Infractions Committee is separate from the Appeals Committee. The Appeals Committee has shown the tendency to force the Infractions Committee to follow its own precedent.
but isn't the appeals committee still under the same NCAA umbrella as the infractions committee, and the general NCAA governing body?
Posted on 2/5/10 at 2:10 pm to el tigre
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but isn't the appeals committee still under the same NCAA umbrella as the infractions committee, and the general NCAA governing body?
They are, but they have shown themselves to be more than willing to overrule the IC in the past.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 2:22 pm to bamawriter
true, but you are still "appealing" to the basically the same organization, with millions and millions of dollars at stake. Just a really shaky system of checks and balances, imo.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 3:04 pm to RLDSC FAN
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it was an agent paying bush so bush would sign with him
actually, it might have been a wanna be agent or sports marketer. No worry though. The finds point to a slap on the wrist.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 3:05 pm to el tigre
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BUT, they won't be and USC will be minimally impacted going forward.
this is true
Posted on 2/5/10 at 3:07 pm to crimsonsaint
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I think they'll be stripped of all wins that bush played in including the 04 championship.
ncaa cannot strip championships. AP or coaches have no in the past either, although they could.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 3:08 pm to CrazyTigerFan
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Does the Dwayne Jarret / Matt Leinart free/reduced rent issues still apply in the total case for Lack of Institutional Control here, or has the time period for that offense already run out?
already dealth with. Jarret was ineligible until he paid the rent.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 3:10 pm to LSUTANGERINE
congrats on USC getting away with discretions that would get less important programs much harsher penalties.
good job.
good job.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 3:11 pm to LSUTANGERINE
The NCAA addiing to the SC punishment of its own team (and they wil come down hard) will make it easier to go easy on FB
ANd folks, USC has been aware of the findings for more than a month. Santions will very likely be 2-3 schollies for 2-3 years and MAYBE some vacated games. NCAA does not take away NC's in football without an NCAA sponsored playoff.
ANd folks, USC has been aware of the findings for more than a month. Santions will very likely be 2-3 schollies for 2-3 years and MAYBE some vacated games. NCAA does not take away NC's in football without an NCAA sponsored playoff.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 3:29 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Tangerine is spot on. I am hearing two scholies for two years.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 3:36 pm to Trojan Ace
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I am hearing two scholies for two years.
anyone that follows the NCAA closely, without an emotional attachment to this case prob assumed 2-3 schollies for 2-3 years. Anything else and i will be SHOCKED.
eta: that's not fair, right, etc. BUT, it was the pretty obvious outcome, imo.
This post was edited on 2/5/10 at 3:37 pm
Posted on 2/5/10 at 3:37 pm to LSUTANGERINE
"ANd folks, USC has been aware of the findings for more than a month. Santions will very likely be 2-3 schollies for 2-3 years and MAYBE some vacated games. NCAA does not take away NC's in football without an NCAA sponsored playoff"
There has to be more to it than this. Why did Carroll haul arse? He's been offered several NFL head coaching jobs in the past few years and declined all of em. Why leave now that he found out the penalties are so light?
There has to be more to it than this. Why did Carroll haul arse? He's been offered several NFL head coaching jobs in the past few years and declined all of em. Why leave now that he found out the penalties are so light?
Posted on 2/5/10 at 3:43 pm to crimsonsaint
got his feelings hurt and people within the university treating him differently post-sanctions can play a large role.
Posted on 2/5/10 at 3:49 pm to RLDSC FAN
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wont happen, SC makes lots of money for the pac 10, taking them out of bowls hurts the conference.
the PAC 10 wouldnt be losing BCS money though.. every other team in the conference would just move up in the bowl order.. so all that is lost is whatever bowl a 6-6 team would have gone to..
and they will do it.. they did it to Auburn..
now, id rather not see USC punished at all.. i'd rather just see Kiff take the program down..
Posted on 2/5/10 at 4:19 pm to Xenophon
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the PAC 10 wouldnt be losing BCS money though
but they would lose a lot in any ad rates or conference programming that is not already sold....and that is where a lot of money comes from.
eta: Auburn was also the 6th or 7th most nationally relevant program in the SEC. USC is far and away the most important program in the Pac-10...with the biggest gap btn 1 and 2 of any conference in america. Crushing USC would hurt the pac-10 MUCH more than punishing Bama or Auburn hurt the SEC.
This post was edited on 2/5/10 at 4:23 pm
Posted on 2/5/10 at 4:30 pm to crimsonsaint
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There has to be more to it than this. Why did Carroll haul arse? He's been offered several NFL head coaching jobs in the past few years and declined all of em. Why leave now that he found out the penalties are so light?
he was offered president of the team. he basically has full control over decisions in seattle. now im not saying the sanctions didnt add to this, but he was given a great opportunity. hes almost 60 this is his last chance in the NFL. oh yeah also 35 million dollars
This post was edited on 2/5/10 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 2/5/10 at 5:25 pm to crimsonsaint
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There has to be more to it than this. Why did Carroll haul arse? He's been offered several NFL head coaching jobs in the past few years and declined all of em. Why leave now that he found out the penalties are so light?
Mike Garrett and money are two of the answers.
This post was edited on 2/5/10 at 5:45 pm
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