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re: TD.com Top 25 Ballot Posting Thread
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:04 am to reddman
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:04 am to reddman
Thank you for voting, xiv. Here is how you voted:
1. Texas
2. Texas Tech
3. Oklahoma
4. Utah
5. Boise State
6. Alabama
7. Florida
8. Penn State
9. Southern Cal
10. Ball State
11. Ohio State
12. TCU
13. Cincinnati
14. Georgia
15. BYU
16. Ole Miss
17. Georgia Tech
18. Michigan State
19. Oregon State
20. Pittsburgh
21. Boston College
22. Missouri
23. Oklahoma State
24. Oregon
25. Iowa
1. Texas
2. Texas Tech
3. Oklahoma
4. Utah
5. Boise State
6. Alabama
7. Florida
8. Penn State
9. Southern Cal
10. Ball State
11. Ohio State
12. TCU
13. Cincinnati
14. Georgia
15. BYU
16. Ole Miss
17. Georgia Tech
18. Michigan State
19. Oregon State
20. Pittsburgh
21. Boston College
22. Missouri
23. Oklahoma State
24. Oregon
25. Iowa
4
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:07 am to Roughneck
quote:Came pretty damn close to leaving OU out of the poll just out of spite but it's not their fault everything is so fricked up.
Thank you for voting, Roughneck. Here is how you voted:
1. Alabama
2. Texas
3. Oklahoma
4. Florida
5. Southern Cal
6. Penn State
7. Utah
8. Boise State
9. Texas Tech
10. Ohio State
11. TCU
12. Cincinnati
13. Ball State
14. Georgia Tech
15. Oregon
16. Georgia
17. Boston College
18. Missouri
19. Oklahoma State
20. BYU
21. Michigan State
22. Ole Miss
23. Pittsburgh
24. Oregon State
25. Northwestern
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:12 am to xiv
quote:
2. Texas Tech
3. Oklahoma
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:13 am to xiv
I have to say xiv, that your poll is just full of so much wrong.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:14 am to MJRuffalo
MJ, you said you went by quality wins, yet Ole Miss isn't even in your top 25. If Oregon State is just for their win over USC, then Ole Miss should be to.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:18 am to BayouBengals03
I know. I went into the poll assuming that Ole Miss would be ranked. I had a very difficult time finding a spot for them. I felt the need to get some more ACC teams in there as overall from top to bottom that is the best conference, they just lack any elite teams. I did struggle not putting Ole Miss in there and they easily could be, so could Virginia Tech, and others. Very little is seperating #20 to #30 IMO. Still I have only 2 ACC teams ranked and that seems kind of low.
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 12:20 am
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:20 am to MJRuffalo
quote:
I know. I went into the poll assuming that Ole Miss would be ranked. I had a very difficult time finding a spot for them. I felt the need to get some more ACC teams in there as overall from top to bottom that is the best conference, they just lack any elite teams. I did struggle not putting Ole Miss in there and they easily could be. Very little is seperating #20 to #30 IMO.
20-30 is very close. Too many ACC and Big 10 teams with only three losses to Ole Miss' four losses. Still though, I found a way to stick them in at #23.
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 12:21 am
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:22 am to BayouBengals03
Missiouri will probably get knocked out this week, opening up another spot. Cincy has that always tricky road game on the Rock as well.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:25 am to MJRuffalo
I have Missouri at 18 but I don't know if I will knock them out of my 25 if they lose. It depends on the score. If OU hangs 60 on them like they have been doing to everyone else, then Mizzou will drop out. But, if they can keep it competitive and stay within 14 points I will probably keep them in.
Also Boston College could fall out if they lose their conference championship game. But then Virginia Tech would probably jump in.
Also Boston College could fall out if they lose their conference championship game. But then Virginia Tech would probably jump in.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:33 am to MJRuffalo
quote:It'll "fix" itself. Just watch.
I have to say xiv, that your poll is just full of so much wrong.
(And feel free to tell me what's wrong with the system. Don't tell me "There's no way TT should be ahead of OU." Tell me what's wrong with the formula. "Correct" it for me.)
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 12:34 am
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:35 am to xiv
Oklahoma has played a much stronger SOS than Texas Tech, Oklahoma absolutely crushed TT, there was no doubt who was better, yet you have Texas Tech ranked higher. Explain.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:38 am to MJRuffalo
Texas Tech beat Texas who beat Oklahoma. Makes sense to me.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:38 am to MJRuffalo
quote:Slightly stronger.# | Team | WL% | Opps' WL% | Opps' Opps' WL% | Quality Win Points
Oklahoma has played a much stronger SOS than Texas Tech,
1 Texas 0.91667 0.56296 0.51822 0.065 0.79748
2 Texas Tech 0.90000 0.52212 0.53509 0.066 0.77891
3 Oklahoma 0.90909 0.56911 0.52527 0.047 0.77835
quote:I don't use MOV.
Oklahoma absolutely crushed TT, there was no doubt who was better, yet you have Texas Tech ranked higher. Explain.
BTW, I think OU is better than TT; if OU beats Mizzou, they'll jump TT and maybe Texas. No big deal right now, says I.
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 12:41 am
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:43 am to xiv
quote:
14. Georgia
15. BYU
16. Ole Miss
17. Georgia Tech
Hurting me, but I know its bc we played 2 D2 teams
People backing out at the last minute piss me off
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:46 am to xiv
You have TT as only slightly stronger? How is that possible? They played 2 1AA teams in their OOC and their toughest OOC game was Nevada. OU played the Big East champions and the MWC #2, there is no comparison there. TT played a slightly stronger in conference schedule playing Missouri as opposed to K State.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:48 am to xiv
I would also add that not using some form of margin of victory and/or margin of defeat as well as venue is an inherent flaw in your formula.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:57 am to The Easter Bunny
Easter Bunny, you're going to hate me...
I incorrectly listed GT as 8-3, but they're really 7-3 (vs. FBS; I don't count FCS wins.)
I "corrected" my td.com rankings:
1. Texas
2. Texas Tech
3. Oklahoma
4. Utah
5. Boise State
6. Alabama
7. Florida
8. Penn State
9. Southern Cal
10. Ball State
11. Ohio State
12. TCU
13. Cincinnati
14. Georgia
15. BYU
16. Ole Miss
17. Michigan State
18. Oregon State
19. Pittsburgh
20. Boston College
21. Georgia Tech
22. Missouri
23. Oklahoma State
24. Oregon
25. Iowa
I incorrectly listed GT as 8-3, but they're really 7-3 (vs. FBS; I don't count FCS wins.)
I "corrected" my td.com rankings:
1. Texas
2. Texas Tech
3. Oklahoma
4. Utah
5. Boise State
6. Alabama
7. Florida
8. Penn State
9. Southern Cal
10. Ball State
11. Ohio State
12. TCU
13. Cincinnati
14. Georgia
15. BYU
16. Ole Miss
17. Michigan State
18. Oregon State
19. Pittsburgh
20. Boston College
21. Georgia Tech
22. Missouri
23. Oklahoma State
24. Oregon
25. Iowa
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:59 am to MJRuffalo
quote:Oklahoma has a slightly stronger schedule than Texas Tech. Dammit dude, I gave you the numbers!
You have TT as only slightly stronger? How is that possible? They played 2 1AA teams in their OOC and their toughest OOC game was Nevada. OU played the Big East champions and the MWC #2, there is no comparison there. TT played a slightly stronger in conference schedule playing Missouri as opposed to K State.
quote:Texas Tech and Oklahoma played the same eight Big XII teams.
TT played a slightly stronger in conference schedule playing Missouri as opposed to K State.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 12:59 am to MJRuffalo
quote:Sorry. I won't use it. I think its presence creates a much bigger flaw than does its absence.
I would also add that not using some form of margin of victory and/or margin of defeat as well as venue is an inherent flaw in your formula.
Posted on 12/1/08 at 1:04 am to xiv
quote:
Texas Tech and Oklahoma played the same eight Big XII teams.
Ok, my mistake I was going off of memory and confused Okie St with Mizzou. So thy have played an identical conference schedule, and Oklahoma played a far, far tougher ooc and your garbage formula somehow has OU only playing slightly stronger schedule?
Explain how Cincy, TCU, UW, and 1AA is only slightly better than 1AA, 1AA, Nevada, and SMU?
Waiting to here the bullshite spin on this one.
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 1:05 am
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