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re: Removing the "criminal element" from the Power 5.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I'm not sure. It was only reported that he was kicked off of Boise State's team for a previous incident of violence with a female student.
had he been convicted of anything at that point?
serious question
From a Texas Monthly article.
quote:
This isn’t the first violent incident that Ukwuachu has been accused of. In documents from May 2013 obtained by Texas Monthly, Marc Paul, the assistant athletics director at Boise State University, recounts advising to Ukwuachu’s then-girlfriend in Boise that she stay away from the house the two shared for several nights, after he put his fist through a window while drunk. Paul also makes plans for how to get police protection for the couple’s other housemate, who received threatening text messages from Ukwuachu. Handwritten notes in a document from a Boise State source also refer to times that Ukwuachu would get verbally abusive over “small irritants” like a spilled drink, and note that the woman he lived with acknowledged that she would “probably not” admit it if the abuse were physical. It ends with the words “NOT healthy relationship!” underlined. Following the incident with the window, Ukwuachu—just a year removed from his Freshman All-American season—was kicked off the team by Boise State head coach Chris Petersen for repeated violations of team rules.
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:17 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
You can't just single out the players. Coaches and administrators that cover for this stuff have to be called out as well.
Expect the Baylor Academy for Young Rapists and Pedo St to most loudly complain about code of conduct initiatives.
While I'm throwing stones, UF during the Meyer era may deserve some extra criticism. Always been speculation that he shielded the AD and Pres from knowing the full extent of what may have been going on. I don't think he covered for murder, but he may have sugar coated some problems he knew to be lurking in the roster.
NCAA is too weak on this issue. They barely touch coaches. And the NFL doesn't help either as people can escape to the NFL and never deal with consequences.
Expect the Baylor Academy for Young Rapists and Pedo St to most loudly complain about code of conduct initiatives.
While I'm throwing stones, UF during the Meyer era may deserve some extra criticism. Always been speculation that he shielded the AD and Pres from knowing the full extent of what may have been going on. I don't think he covered for murder, but he may have sugar coated some problems he knew to be lurking in the roster.
NCAA is too weak on this issue. They barely touch coaches. And the NFL doesn't help either as people can escape to the NFL and never deal with consequences.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:20 pm to Oddibe
quote:What about DUI?
Being released by another P5 school for "violation of team" rules. Any convictions involving violence or drugs, whether it be "misdemeanor assault" or "misdemeanor possession of drugs"
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:28 pm to shel311
If misdemeanor assault is grounds for banning, DUI and MIP have to be included, as well.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:32 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Right.
If misdemeanor assault is grounds for banning, DUI and MIP have to be included, as well.
I'm just thinking, driving drunk is wayyyyyyyy worse than getting caught smoking a little weed, so...seems like you gotta add DUI to the list, wondering what the OP thinks of that.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:32 pm to shel311
quote:I purposely left that out. To me a 21 year old with a DUI is a lot different than a 35 year old. Youth and inexperience can be blamed for the 21 year old, not the 35 year.
What about DUI?
I know someone will mention pot is no be big (and technically it might not be), but as of now it is still an NCAA violation as well as illegal in many states.
ETA: DUI and MIP, neither deal with an illegal substance or involve violent offenses.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:34 pm to Oddibe
quote:Holy shite. Give them a pass for driving drunk but not for having a little marijuana on their person or shoving someone in a bar fight?
Youth and inexperience can be blamed for the 21 year old
quote:So is driving drunk. NCAA violation. Illegal in every state.
as of now it is still an NCAA violation as well as illegal in many states
quote:Yeah, DUI just deals with potentially killing someone in a car accident. No big deal, right? And marijuana isn't an illegal substance in many states.
DUI and MIP, neither deal with an illegal substance or involve violent offenses.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:34 pm to Oddibe
quote:But you won't say the same about a bar fight or getting caught with weed or something along those lines?
I purposely left that out. To me a 21 year old with a DUI is a lot different than a 35 year old. Youth and inexperience can be blamed for the 21 year old, not the 35 year.
Part of me thinks you purposely left out DUI to not get stuck with the hypocritical nature of allowing coaches to get DUIs and not be auto-fired.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:44 pm to shel311
quote:You would be wrong about that. I purposely left it off because it is a legal substance and not a violent offense.
Part of me thinks you purposely left out DUI to not get stuck with the hypocritical nature of allowing coaches to get DUIs and not be auto-fired.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:46 pm to Oddibe
quote:Drugs aren't a violent offense either.
You would be wrong about that. I purposely left it off because it is a legal substance and not a violent offense.
And you're just twisting your argument to say alcohol is a legal substance, when you know DUI is illegal and pretty obviously more dangerous than just smoking weed.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:46 pm to Oddibe
quote:
With all of the recent negative incidents in college football becoming national news such as the Baylor rape cover-up and the Joe Mixon situation. I would like to see the Power 5 come up with a "code of conduct" clause. Art Briles accepted a player from Boise St with a known criminal past and Bob Stoops kept Joe Mixon around for a reason. Both coaches wanted to win.
I believe players deserve second chances. I just don't believe they deserve that second chance on the biggest stage. Stoops didn't get of Mixon because he knew one of his competitors would pick him, regardless of his background.
I am not saying Mixon should have been denied the opportunity to play, I'm only saying he should have been prevented from playing for a Power 5 school. If SMU or Louisiana Tech or any other Group of 5 school would have offered him, his rights would have not been violated. Playing football and receiving a scholarship is a privilege, not a right.
Mixon should be banned from NCAA and NFL. They black balled Ray Rice. But Mixon have a chance to play. Hope nobody picks him up. frick him.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:48 pm to shel311
Dude shot his argument all to shite and doesn't even realize.
What I'm thinking is that he left it off because that's something that he does, so it's not that bad. Those people deserve second chances. He doesn't smoke weed or get in fights, so those things are bad. Those people do not deserve second chances.
ETA: FWIW, in LA, the penalties for DUI and MIP are both harsher than the penalty for possession of small amounts of marijuana.
What I'm thinking is that he left it off because that's something that he does, so it's not that bad. Those people deserve second chances. He doesn't smoke weed or get in fights, so those things are bad. Those people do not deserve second chances.
ETA: FWIW, in LA, the penalties for DUI and MIP are both harsher than the penalty for possession of small amounts of marijuana.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:51 pm to bayou2003
quote:
Mixon should be banned from NCAA and NFL
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:59 pm to shel311
So are you ok with a guy hitting a woman and breaking bones? frick 2nd chances. Let him try and get a regular job with an assault record.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 2:59 pm to bayou2003
quote:Misdemeanor assault. It's an extremely minor offense and can get expunged with no problem.
assault record
It's a lesser charge than you would get if you got into a barfight in college.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:00 pm to bayou2003
quote:Did I say he shouldn't have been arrested and charged with a crime?
So are you ok with a guy hitting a woman and breaking bones?
quote:Why should he be able to get a regular job but not a job in football?
Let him try and get a regular job with an assault record.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:05 pm to shel311
quote:Let me know when the NCAA starts doing random alcohol tests. POT/Drugs are banned substances by the NCAA. If you want to argue that players get tested for alcohol then go ahead, but I am not making that argument. If you want to say testing for pot is stupid then go ahead, I am not making that argument either, only that the NCAA considers it a banned substance.
Drugs aren't a violent offense either.
quote:I will say this one more time, alcohol is not a banned substance or tested for by the NCAA. Does that make driving impaired by alcohol any less of a crime than driving under the influence of other drugs....no. I was trying to limit the "criteria" to violence and drugs.
And you're just twisting your argument to say alcohol is a legal substance, when you know DUI is illegal and pretty obviously more dangerous than just smoking weed.
I stated this earlier
quote:
The hard part of what I propose would be defining the "criteria" and there are much smarter people than me who could figure that out
My point still remains, that SOME coaches will continue to recruit, sign and protect bad apples as long as they can run fast, jump high or sack a QB. Until all coaches play by the same rules, kids will get rewarded for bad behavior.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:10 pm to Oddibe
quote:Is now ok?
Let me know when the NCAA starts doing random alcohol tests.
quote:I'm starting to get the feeling that you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about.
The NCAA bans drugs by class, along with any substance chemically/pharmacologically related to those classes. The banned drug classes are: anabolic agents; stimulants; alcohol and beta blockers (for rifle only); masking agents such as diuretics; street drugs; peptide hormones and analogues; anti-estrogens; and Beta-2 Agonists.
Ban kids for minor drug and violent offenses because those are bad. Give kids second changes for driving drunk because they are just young and inexperienced.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 3:14 pm
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:14 pm to Oddibe
quote:How is that any bit relevant to DUI?
I will say this one more time, alcohol is not a banned substance or tested for by the NCAA.
quote:Hopefully, you now realize why that's not a logical idea.
I was trying to limit the "criteria" to violence and drugs.
Posted on 1/13/17 at 3:16 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Please quote where I said they don't deserve a second chance. I think I stated they don't deserve a second chance on the biggest stage or highest level. BTW, people do lose their jobs over DUI's and when they get another job it's not always at the same level as their previous job.
Those people deserve second chances. He doesn't smoke weed or get in fights, so those things are bad. Those people do not deserve second chances.
I didn't want to set criteria for this very reason. I could have just as easily said ANY prosecution or conviction of any crime and you have picked that apart.
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