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re: Rangers: Be Carefull with Cliff Lee

Posted on 10/25/10 at 11:22 am to
Posted by SCUBABlake
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 11:22 am to
Yeah, it's definitely going to at least double. Current payroll is at $55 mil.
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 11:36 am to
Price on winning... gotta keep certain players
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 11:39 am to
I am enjoying how the user Ron Burgandy is mouthing off and doesn't exactly know what he is talking about, just making blanket statements he is repeating from the media.
Posted by SCUBABlake
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 11:49 am to
Yeah. We talked about all the guys with contracts coming up earlier... And it's quite a few that are going to need a pay raise.

Hamilton, Andrus, Feliz, Cruz, and Murphy will all probably get new deals.

And I just ignore those tards.
This post was edited on 10/25/10 at 11:50 am
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 11:52 am to
I am really curious what the Yankees will do... Jeter with continued regression is not a 10 million a year player nor a #2 hitter. However, being Jeter you can not pay someone like AJ Burnett more than a Yankee great and you can not hurt his pride by moving him.
Will he man up and admit his skills are diminishing and offer to move to another position, lower in order, or a smaller contract?

AJ and Javier need to go, they are not very good and Yankees could have pitched Chad Guadin and gotten same results as those two this year for a 1/4 of the salary.
Posted by SCUBABlake
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 11:58 am to
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Will he man up and admit his skills are diminishing and offer to move to another position, lower in order, or a smaller contract?


I honestly don't know if he will.

It just seems to me the Yanks don't have much of a farm system to pull from. And at this point that's one of the Rangers' strengths. (I don't follow minor league ball too much, this just seems to be the case. Correct me if I'm wrong.)

And yeah, the Yanks have some revamping to do at pitcher. Just wish it didn't include Lee.

I'm interested to see what the Rangers can work out in the offseason. Should be a roller coaster.

"I live in Arkansas. This is great for my family. It’s definitely the closest thing to home team-wise that I’ve ever played on." I just hope this is worth a few mil when the offseason comes around for Lee.
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:02 pm to
Yeah... Yankees supposedly have a young stud SS in the minor league system but he will not be ready for another year or two.
Pitching, I would much prefer to take that 15 million Yankees will save with Pettite retiring and the 25 million they save with not getting Lee and signing 3 pitchers then trading AJ for a bag of balls and some sunflower seeds.
Posted by SCUBABlake
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:06 pm to
You think Pettite is finally gonna call it quits?

And you could certainly get some solid guys with that 25 mil... But will they? I think the Yanks want the big name.

As for AJ... are we talking about the bucket of seeds or a single pack?
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:15 pm to
I think he finally calls it quit, I mean he really has no incentive to return, other than to win another ring and 15 million.

Don't need big names, I mean look at David Wells, Sterling Hitchcock, Orlando Hernadez, and Irabu. The Yankees have the stud in CC, the Yankees have a good young #2 in Hughes (who I assume will only get better), they can sign a good #3 who will give them 15 wins and a 4 ERA and a #4 who will do the same. I mean they do not need 5 pitchers who are #1's.
Posted by SCUBABlake
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 12:23 pm to
I agree, I just think they're hell bent on getting Lee despite the fact they could get more for their money.
Posted by BMW7SERIES
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 1:07 pm to
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I think he finally calls it quit, I mean he really has no incentive to return


A shot at 300 wins isn't incentive? Andy can still give you good outings and eat up innings when he's healthy. Could he retire? Sure, but guys also pitch into their 40s quite often. No reason to assume he can't. As for Jeter, c'mon man, he HAS to get 3,000 hits as a Yankee. Can you really see him playing for anyone else at this point?

Ideally, it would be Posada who retires which would allow the Yankees to move ARod to DH, Jeter to 3rd and let Eduardo Nunez become the new shortstop and Jesus Montero will catch. If he does not retire now, the Yankees will plan on him DHing this year, Montero will catch, Jeter will stay at SS, and ARod will stay at 3rd and Nunez will be the SS next year. The Yankees are also looking to sign Carl Crawford giving them Crawford Granderson and Swisher L-R in the outfield. They would then be looking to sign a starting pitcher and a few bullpen guys.
Posted by RonBurgundy
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 1:11 pm to
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shot at 300 wins isn't incentive



he took plenty of shots to get to 300 wins


Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 1:13 pm to
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A shot at 300 wins isn't incentive?
Considering he is 60 wins away I do not see him pitching till he is 42-44 to obtain 300 wins. If he was a season or two away then yea but he is a possibly 4 or 5 seasons away.

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The Yankees are also looking to sign Carl Crawford giving them Crawford Granderson and Swisher L-R in the outfield.
I would hope not unless they are moving Granderson especially since Gardner earned the starting job this year. .277 average with a .383 OBP and speed on the bases with 47 steals.

Posted by Factsman
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 1:21 pm to
gauden wouldnt have lasted 2 innings against the rangers

he cant hold burnett's jock strap

and you think gardner is better than granderson or crawford?

fricking fail
Posted by tduecen
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 1:24 pm to
Gardner = Younger/Cheaper/ and a good player

Granderson with his .247 average and .324 OBP can go back to the Tigers for all I care. Gardner deserves to start and what he lacks in the power of Granderson he makes up for in speed.

Gaudin would have been just as good as AJ this season since AJ was so great with his 5.26 ERA you know and I am sure Gaudin could have given up 5 runs to the Rangers just as easy as AJ did.
This post was edited on 10/25/10 at 1:26 pm
Posted by barry
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 1:31 pm to
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the league wont allow it? lol.


When i say the league i mean the owners and what not, and im not talking about some ruling. They will just do everything back channels. They don't mind the yankees over paying for players that much. What they do mind is when teams set new precedents for how much the top players get paid. This is one of the reasons Cuban has been blocked from owning a team. If the yankees want to go give AJ Burnett 15 mil a year it won't throw things off that much, but if they give Lee 30 million dollars a year then every ace out there is gonna want that much money and its gonna bump up the payscale of every pitcher.
Posted by BMW7SERIES
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 1:42 pm to
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Gardner = Younger/Cheaper/ and a good player Granderson with his .247 average and .324 OBP can go back to the Tigers for all I care. Gardner deserves to start and what he lacks in the power of Granderson he makes up for in speed.

Gaudin would have been just as good as AJ this season since AJ was so great with his 5.26 ERA you know and I am sure Gaudin could have given up 5 runs to the Rangers just as easy as AJ did.


I agree with you. Gardner being younger allows for a few things for the Yankees. BUT, that pivotal chip "CHEAPER" means that he would make for more attractive trade bait and we'll have to give him up to get a middle relief guy.

And yeah, Guadin would have given just as much as AJ did in Game 4.

Horribly managed Series by Girardi IMO.
Posted by BMW7SERIES
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 1:44 pm to
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but if they give Lee 30 million dollars a year then every ace out there is gonna want that much money and its gonna bump up the payscale of every pitcher.


Hate to break it to ya but that's essentially where the top aces are right now anyway.
Posted by Factsman
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 1:55 pm to
aj pitched 5 solid against rangers

gaudin had no shot at that

aj shoulda been pulled to start the 6th
Posted by barry
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Posted on 10/25/10 at 1:58 pm to
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Hate to break it to ya but that's essentially where the top aces are right now anyway.


No its not. You are literally just making that up.

CC makes 25 Johan makes 20. Those are the top 2.
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