re: Pat Tillman

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WOW. Not a big sports guy apparently. Most guys that watched any football knew who Pat Tillman was. And I honestly don't see how you can't comprehend the fact that he could have easily been a senator or a congressman. He pretty much had all the criteria one looks for in that role.

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I don't remember him more than the hundreds of his marginal contemporaries before the joining the military thing.

I said it was doubtful he'd become President. He played football, he died doing his job in the military, the armed forces tried to use it as beneficial advertising. There are many men greater than him who have died doing the same thing.

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There are many men greater than him who have died doing the same thing.

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with the exception of the WWII era, not many left their dream jobs to fight for our country. Some were forced to do it in Viet Nam, but this modern era where there is no draft??? Name me another man who left a million dollar salary to join an elite military unit. That makes him pretty spectacular as a human being IMO IMHO FWIW. Sacrifice is how I measure individuals, and any man that sacrificed his life in combat is honorable....even more so when you see his level of sacrifice.

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That's not true. Being an NFL player certainly isn't my dream job, just like it's not millions of others. You don't think leaving a family or an ailing wife or a great school, etc etc etc is as big a sacrifice? lol

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the fact that you used "lol" after this little tidbit and said "Being an NFL player isn't your dream job" lets me know I can't take you seriously.lol

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What about the people that made it their life's duty to join the service and defend the country, even before 9/11?

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A lot of them did it for the pay check homes, they damn sure weren't expecting a war. If you knew anything about the military, shite changed immensely after 9/11. And for the true warriors and special operators, they have always been revered and respected and like Pat Tillman, they didn't ask for it, he received a lot of attention because of his celebrity, he didn't go into it begging for a spotlight.

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Pat Tillman did an honorable thing, but he shouldn't be held up on a plateau above others who have done the same thing.

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again, not a lot of others have done the same. He left a life of complete comfort and stability.....I don't see how you can argue that a lot of people have left a life like that to do dirt in the middle east.

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I know lots of people that were in the military and I cant think of ONE that would have gone if they were in PTs situation? Hes the man!

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that's my argument. This dude doesn't realize that 99.9 out of every 100 military men and women think Pat Tillman was crazy for leaving that life for a life like theirs. His fellow Rangers constantly let him know that too.

It's always sad when one of our men in uniform die... but that said, the deification of this dude is creepy.

I know I'm a dick on here, but I wouldn't come in and try to devalue what Pat Tillman did. And he was actually a pretty good football player. In 2000 didn't he have like 140 tackles? I have friends that have signed up for the army, but they did it to get money for school. None of them would even think about leaving the NFL to sign up for the army.

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I have friends that have signed up for the army, but they did it to get money for school. None of them would even think about leaving the NFL to sign up for the army.

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Yep. Most people did it as a last resort and it's a tough decision for them to make. This dude just dropped his helmet and took off. I'm not saying his dying for his country is any more honorable or special than any other man or woman that's done it, I'm just saying you have to admire the sacrifice he made before he left.

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In fact, considering recent Democrat presidents, it may even be a drawback.

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yeah, really.

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explain how it's creepy? I'm not following.

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He wanted to kill the enemy, and he died. He also happened to be good at football. That's it. He is no more worthy of hero status as any of the other young men who have died for our freedom. Enough already.


nothing could be further from the truth... he walked away from a comofortable life and a lucrative career - very few in the miliarty have done that.