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re: One of Ohio's best HS football teams/town going to be all over the news
Posted on 12/26/12 at 8:56 pm to CatsGoneWild
Posted on 12/26/12 at 8:56 pm to CatsGoneWild
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The person who was found out to not be there was posting on twitter about it while it was happening, I believe. Thats probably why Anon had him on the list, because his tweet popped up with other tweets. Dunno.
it is still a good example of how they're working on imperfect allegations/accusations/information while acting like they know everything about the situation. they're acting as judge, jury, and executioner while showing they're biased and have been shown to be wrong
they're acting as if the people on their list are guilty until proven innocent, which is what our society is founded on
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Posted on 12/26/12 at 9:12 pm to SlowFlowPro
this is how anon works, once the flashlight is on, everyone gets illuminated.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 9:16 pm to ninthward
what i'm arguing is that their tactics are illegal, wrong, and are putting a legitimate investigation/prosecution at risk
what they're doing should be looked down upon. some people in this thread are celebrating their actions
what they're doing should be looked down upon. some people in this thread are celebrating their actions
Posted on 12/26/12 at 9:23 pm to SlowFlowPro
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what they're doing should be looked down upon. some people in this thread are celebrating their actions
Just to play devils advocate, maybe some people were shite on before and wished they had a group like this help them out when the media, law enforcement, and our government let them down. You are only looking at it from your perspective. Nothing wrong with that but if you can't see why some people think this is a good thing than it makes you look close minded.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 10:01 pm to LaBornNRaised
If you had the ability to do what Anonymous is doing would you help out and investigate a rape and try to bring information that the police is unable and untrained to find or would you turn a blind eye?
Posted on 12/26/12 at 10:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Raises hand.
some people in this thread are celebrating their actions
Posted on 12/26/12 at 10:08 pm to LaBornNRaised
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Just to play devils advocate, maybe some people were shite on before and wished they had a group like this help them out when the media, law enforcement, and our government let them down
obviously. hence why i call them biased
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You are only looking at it from your perspective
i'm looking at it objectively
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but if you can't see why some people think this is a good thing than it makes you look close minded.
no. they're closed minded and have no idea what their system would lead to. it only seems good when the people they don't like are being attacked. what happens if they accidentally do something wrong that crosses a hacker?
i've asked this question a few times in this thread and nobody has answered. do you believe in animal liberation?
Posted on 12/26/12 at 10:12 pm to Atom-Z
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If you had the ability to do what Anonymous is doing would you help out and investigate a rape and try to bring information that the police is unable and untrained to find or would you turn a blind eye?
the police have 2 kids in custody with trial dates and have implicated 2-3 more (Who gave testimony in exchange for immunity)
so this incident has (1) a legit investigation by police, (2) a legit prosecution (by an unbiased state, not local, agency), and (3) international publicity prior to anon's involvement. what exactly are they trying to add to the situation?
it seems like they're quite capable of investigating this incident and are doing things correctly
as this group has already shown, their assessment of this incident is without actual evidence implicating people (or else an innocent person wouldn't have been terrorized). they're also risking the actual prosecution of the 2 accused by tampering with witnesses
would you feel bad if your uninformed witch hunt led to the nullification of a legal prosecution?
Posted on 12/26/12 at 10:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
So, you are basically telling us that there hasnt been any covering up going on by anyone? Amirite? Do you feel justice has been served for this 16 y.o. girl?
Posted on 12/26/12 at 10:22 pm to CatsGoneWild
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So, you are basically telling us that there hasnt been any covering up going on by anyone?
define "covering up" first and i'll make an educated guess
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Do you feel justice has been served for this 16 y.o. girl?
yes
there are 2 prosecutions and 2-3 others implicated. that's four, possibly FIVE people involved
this group wants to prosecute any person who was AT THE PARTY. did you go to many high school parties? do you feel responsible for every thing that went on, whether you participated or not?
Posted on 12/26/12 at 10:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it is still a good example of how they're working on imperfect allegations/accusations/information while acting like they know everything about the situation. they're acting as judge, jury, and executioner while showing they're biased and have been shown to be wrong they're acting as if the people on their list are guilty until proven innocent, which is what our society is founded on
Because never before in the current system has a completely innocent person been wrongfully accused, arrested, or even spent years in jail, right? Only Anonymous has "ruined" the life of an innocent bystander before, right?
Get off your high horse
Posted on 12/26/12 at 10:26 pm to Open Your Eyes
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Because never before in the current system has a completely innocent person been wrongfully accused, arrested, or even spent years in jail, right?
at least they get due process
i work in the criminal defense industry. i know first hand what kind of fricked up shite can happen with a biased and impartial prosecutor/police force. that's exactly why i detest these groups who aren't even bound by any sort of rules. they just terrorize until they get confessions
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Only Anonymous has "ruined" the life of an innocent bystander before, right?
where did i say that?
Posted on 12/26/12 at 10:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
I guess you missed where the cops "lost" a video, where the guy whose email is hacked in has pics of other girls from other parties from the "rape crew", where the coach doesnt think anything of the stuff that happened and football should go on as normal, how people were filming/taking pics of what was happening to the girl and no one tried to stop it. Etc. The town cares more about football then a underage girl getting passed around, getting raped, getting peed on, having male parts thrown in her face, getting fondled, and being scarred for life. Do you think she's going to walk around school or town like nothing happened?
Posted on 12/26/12 at 10:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this group wants to prosecute any person who was AT THE PARTY. did you go to many high school parties? do you feel responsible for every thing that went on, whether you participated or not?
You can keep repeating the shite you make up, that doesn't make it true. They named like 10 people total, from multiple parties throughout the night. Nobody confuses Steubenville, Ohio for Bourbon St, but its pretty safe to assume there were more than 10 total people combined at all of these back to school parties.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 10:30 pm to CatsGoneWild
Everyone who is "guilty" should be punished. And Im sure there are more than who has been busted.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 10:37 pm to CatsGoneWild
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I guess you missed where the cops "lost" a video,
link?
a person admitted to DELETING a video he took. he's also aiding the prosecution (while still being prosecuted by knightsec)
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where the guy whose email is hacked in has pics of other girls from other parties from the "rape crew",
allegedly. you and i have no idea what kind of documentation was illegally obtained
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where the coach doesnt think anything of the stuff that happened and football should go on as normal,
quote? i know he isn't really discussing the allegations (in a hilariously stupid way, mind you)
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how people were filming/taking pics of what was happening to the girl and no one tried to stop it. Etc.
do you know how many people took pictures/video of the alleged rape?
do you know how many people only took pictures/video of a really fricked up girl at a party?
we know one filmer is already implicated by the cops. i'd imagine the other person aiding the prosecution who was implicated also was only filming. (i'm presuming that the photographers were forced to help the prosecution and the 2 who are to have been alleged to have committed rape are facing the charges. i could be wrong but that's how it usually works out).
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The town cares more about football then a underage girl getting passed around, getting raped, getting peed on, having male parts thrown in her face, getting fondled, and being scarred for life.
now you're just being dramatic. this isn't about "the town." this is about a hacker-led prosecution of a list of minors
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Do you think she's going to walk around school or town like nothing happened?
am i the only one who went to high school?
plenty of girls at my high school did shite that was stupid and had issues at school. frick i know one girl who still has stories told about the time she put a coke bottle in her pussy for some guys. and yes there are plenty of stories about girls who got drunk and did stuff they regret
i don't know if she got drunk or was drugged. as a person who has been drugged while out before, i sympathize greatly. i don't know what happened in this situation. neither do you. neither does this hacker group.
Posted on 12/26/12 at 10:39 pm to Open Your Eyes
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You can keep repeating the shite you make up, that doesn't make it true.
what about this tweet?
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@JackalAnon my brother all who stood by are just as guilty who participated9:20pm - 25 Dec 12
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They named like 10 people total, from multiple parties throughout the night.
and at least 4 are being prosecuted and 1 was incorrectly named
Posted on 12/26/12 at 10:40 pm to CatsGoneWild
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Everyone who is "guilty" should be punished.
who is guilty? of what?
Posted on 12/26/12 at 10:43 pm to SlowFlowPro
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at least they get due process
And that somehow makes it better?
Situation A: Anonymous Internet person wrongfully accuses you of something. He posts your name, phone number, physical address, email address, and social networking profiles online in places that a limited number of people know to look. All that information is typically available to general public. He figures out he was wrong, and drops his pursuit of you. You are never arrested, never spend a second in jail, never go to court, never accrue any attorney fees, nothing goes on your record. The information will possibly come up In background check, which you can easily and quickly explain.
Situation B: The police wrongfully accuse you of something. You are arrested, spend at least a night in jail before bailing out. You have to go to court to defend yourself, accruing attorney fees. You manage to prove your innocence. The arrest goes on your record and will come up in background checks. You are out hundreds if not thousands of dollars.
Yes, situation A is so horribly worse. If only he could've gotten due process...
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that's exactly why i detest these groups who aren't even bound by any sort of rules. they just terrorize until they get confessions
Anonymous sure sounds a lot like law enforcement...
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where did i say that?
Where did I say you said that?
Posted on 12/26/12 at 10:49 pm to Open Your Eyes
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And that somehow makes it better?
getting a chance to defend yourself with a slew of appeals is a lot better than a single, biased person acting as judge/jury/executioner, don't you think?
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Anonymous sure sounds a lot like law enforcement...
law enforcement is bound by rules. anon isn't
also, laws are rules set in place beforehand that give you an idea of what not to do. these groups are all conflicting in what they do/don't support and you have no idea if you're crossing the line of a group or not
my logical and polite discussion of this issue may put me on one of their shite lists, and they'll come after me. they're already going after parents in the town who are defending their children
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Where did I say you said that?
what is the point of even bringing up that hyperbolic commentary if it has nothing to do with the situation?
This post was edited on 12/26/12 at 10:53 pm
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