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Posted on 2/1/15 at 11:52 pm to jg8623
quote:End of thread.
Football is the biggest team sport so there will never be a true answer to these debates
Posted on 2/1/15 at 11:53 pm to Korin
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Speaking of 11-5, how have the Colts done since then?
Pretty good after the #1 no brainer draft pick??
I'm not arguing for either side here, just saying that's a stupid comment
This post was edited on 2/1/15 at 11:53 pm
Posted on 2/1/15 at 11:53 pm to JaxTiger10
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What does that Matter? They got another great qb that has to carry the team too.
In 08, NE won 7 fewer games without Brady than they did in 07.
In 11, Ind won 8 fewer games without Peyton than they did in 10.
That's a whopping 1 game difference.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 11:54 pm to Korin
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Except they were tied before today's game.
Thanks for making my argument. The only thing Brady has over Manning is playoff success yet they had the exact same qb rating in the playoffs before today. Well that settles it then. Manning is by far the better statistical qb and Brady just now became the better playoff qb. Thanks bro.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 11:55 pm to JaxTiger10
That's some rather interesting logic.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 11:56 pm to Korin
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In 08, NE won 7 fewer games without Brady than they did in 07.
In 11, Ind won 8 fewer games without Peyton than they did in 10.
That's a whopping 1 game difference.
Patriots went from #1 in their division to being #1 in their division to 2nd. Colts went from 1st to dead last and in a worse division.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 11:58 pm to JaxTiger10
Which doesn't matter if you still don't make the playoffs, but okay.
Posted on 2/1/15 at 11:59 pm to Korin
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's some rather interesting logic.
Lol. No its common sense. Brady's only argument over Manning is playoff success, yet They had the same qb rating in the playoffs before today. Peyton has, by far, the better regular season and career qb rating. Brady's only go to stat was the playoffs and he just now became slightly better than Manning in the playoffs.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 12:01 am
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:00 am to Korin
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Which doesn't matter if you still don't make the playoffs, but okay.
So when talking about a players value to a team the only thing that counts is playoffs or no playoffs?
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:00 am to Korin
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Which doesn't matter if you still don't make the playoffs, but okay
It shows just how shitty Indy's talent was around Manning. They won 2 games the year he was gone. Pats won 11 when Brady went out.. Come the frick on bruh.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 12:02 am
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:01 am to JaxTiger10
NE still had Cassel (a Pro Bowler). Ind had...Curtis Painter?
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:01 am to JaxTiger10
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Manning is by far the better statistical qb and Brady
There are three types of lies in this world, as Mark Twain so eloquently pointed out to us all those years ago:
1. Lies
2. Damned lies
3. Statistics
Manning may be the statistically better QB but what are the variables associated with those statistics? Since Manning entered the league in 1998 he has been associated with pass-happy offenses while Brady, under Belichick, has been on far more balanced teams. Brady's offenses have also not been as good or as talented as Manning's either.
You can't just look at raw stats and determine one player is better than the other. I mean, you can....if you're lazy.
Brett Favre has thrown for more yardage then anyone else in the history of the NFL. How many times has he entered these GOAT discussions? Almost never.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:02 am to RollTide1987
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Brett Favre has thrown for more yardage then anyone else in the history of the NFL. How many times has he entered these GOAT discussions? Almost never
Because he also has thrown more int than any qb ever.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:03 am to RollTide1987
And he's not "by far" anyhow, considering that Brady has a better td/int ratio (Rodgers is higher than both).
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:03 am to JaxTiger10
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Pats won 11 when Brady went out
It was also virtually the same team that had gone 16-0 the previous year. That was a good team surrounding Brady in 2007, which is why you saw his stats increase to Manning levels that season. You surround Brady with talent and he can be just as prolific as Manning.
This post was edited on 2/2/15 at 12:04 am
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:03 am to Korin
Imo, both are top 5 and have an argument for being the best. As does Montana, Elway, and Marino.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:04 am to JaxTiger10
But wait, I thought that Peyton was far better?
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:06 am to RollTide1987
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You surround Brady with talent and he can be just as prolific as Manning.
Brady has had the better running game, oline, defense, coach and special teams( venatieri). Stop acting like Brady was throwing to shite.
Posted on 2/2/15 at 12:07 am to RollTide1987
If I am a coach and I can pick between Brady or Manning to lead my team in the SB I am picking Brady 10 out of 10 times. I'll take a winner over a statistic guy every time.
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