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re: Official Week 9 College Football Bet Thread

Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:39 am to
Posted by accnodefense
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:39 am to
I have ASU at -1
Posted by bamaatlsu
Dallas
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:40 am to
the money is about even at scoresandodds.com for ASU/Oregon
Posted by FulshearTiger
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:45 am to
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ASU is receiving the overwhelming majority of bets, and the line has increased accordingly

Obviously that isn't what I'm seeing. The information could be wrong but I'm not seeing that at all.
Posted by noles25
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 12:06 pm to
What do you consider low for your standard deviation?
Posted by accnodefense
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 12:24 pm to
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What do you consider low for your standard deviation?


Anything under 4.5, The lower, the better.

I would pay more attention to the "ATS Standard Deviation" for sides. This pays more attention to the value each side has according to my model, and is what I was researching when I found the link between low standard deviation and the model's predictive success.

The O/U Standard Deviation is also something to look at.

Basically it is measuring variance.

If Method 1 says Team A wins by 20, Method 2 says Team A loses by 20, and Method 3 says Team A wins by 50, there is a lot of variance there because they are all wildly different. Therefore there couldn't be much confidence in my model's predictions.

But if Method 1 says Team A wins by 7, if Method 2 says Team A wins by 6, and Method 3 says Team A wins by 8, there is barely any variance, so more confidence can be placed in what my model is projecting there.

Standard Deviation is why I added the Navy -7.5 bet. Standard Deviation was 3.3. South Florida projected to score 16, 20.6, 18.37 points. Navy projected to score 38, 34.84, 34.51 points. Low variance on both sides.
This post was edited on 10/27/15 at 12:26 pm
Posted by blades8088
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 12:37 pm to
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Obviously that isn't what I'm seeing. The information could be wrong but I'm not seeing that at all.


69% on ASU line from pick to -2.5 *Sportsinsights. Where are you looking?
This post was edited on 10/27/15 at 12:38 pm
Posted by thibtigerfan
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 12:56 pm to
So we need to take the sum of the std deviation numbers on both sides and look for 4.5 or lower is the best?
Posted by Zipfer2022
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 1:30 pm to
49% on ASU according to Sportsbook Spy
Posted by ChemE in the OP
The Flats
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 1:47 pm to
Revised early leans... Cal and UVA. If the numbers are right, probably my only two plays.
Posted by Mac
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 2:55 pm to
What numbers are you looking for?
Posted by ChemE in the OP
The Flats
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:39 pm to
Not really sure yet, honestly.
Posted by accnodefense
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

So we need to take the sum of the std deviation numbers on both sides and look for 4.5 or lower is the best?


No

The number for sides you want to look for is the "ATS Std. Deviation Value". It will be the same on both sides. If this number is under 4.5 that is a good sign.

So for example, if my model picks a side across all 3 methods, and the ATS Std. Deviation Value is under 4.5, that's a good sign.

Wisconsin is an example. My model picks Wisconsin ATS on all 3 methods. ATS Standard Deviation Value is 1.79. Therefore Wisconsin would be a play my model is going with that has low variance.

East Carolina/UCONN has a really low total standard deviation. All 3 of my model methods pick the Under in that game, and the O/U Std. Deviation is 0.29. Low variance, universal agreement on the under. Also for totals its OK to also look at the "Standard Deviation" line as well. There can be times where the Standard Deviation for both team is low, but the O/U Std. Deviation is high. That's OK, as long as one of the two are low.

If I were going big on a play, I'd look for these criteria:

-Low standard deviation
-Universal agreement on all 3 model picks
-High cover(or over/under for totals) percentage

It's rare that all 3 of these boxes will be checked.

I went with UMass/Ball State OVER because it was given a 90.2% over chance, all 3 methods picked the over, and the individual standard deviations were low (3.21 for UMass, 5.45 for Ball State).

I went with Navy -7.5 because Navy is given a 71.4% cover chance, with a 3.3 standard deviation and universal agreement.

Louisville/Wake Forest Under. 86.9% under chance, universal agreement, 4.96 O/U standard deviation(with a 1.42 Louisville Standard Deviation)

Hope you get the approach.
Posted by maclauer
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 5:56 pm to
Looking at Pitt, EMU, and the Oregon/ASU under for Thursday night.
Posted by PapaPogey
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 5:59 pm to
what are you, the bet thread Wizard?
Posted by thibtigerfan
Thibodaux
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 6:26 pm to
Got it. Thanks for all you do acc
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 10:46 pm to
someone wanna explain how ND isnt the lock of the week vs Temple? im sure this is one of those games where vegas "knows something you dont" lines but Im honestly not seeing it unless someone can convince me otherwise?

most of the talk has been about "temples defense" but the offenses they have face are poverty.

(according to FEI), they faced the following.

#45 Cincy
#63 East Carolina
#78 UMass
#80 Penn St.
#89 Tulane
#126 UCF
#127 Charlotte (There are 128 FBS teams)

(For reference, ND has faced four in the top 23; #3 Navy, #10 USC, #21 Ga. Tech and #23 Clemson)

cincy had over 500 yards vs temple, but turned the ball over 5x and lost

their defense is extremely undersized

they havent faced an offense anywhere close to the caliber of ND (ND is 4th in the country in yards per play)

they trailed 1-6 Umass in the 4th qtr
they trailed 0-8 ucf in the 4th qtr
they trailed 4-3 ecu in the 4th qtr

so they could easily be 5-2 or even 4-3

unless ND derps this game away it should be an easy cover.
Posted by ChemE in the OP
The Flats
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 10:50 pm to
I've been debating a move on ND -9.5 myself.
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 10:50 pm to
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poverty.


i love your usage of this word

really wish youd get in on the groupme

and yes, I'm with you. almost locked em in this morning
This post was edited on 10/27/15 at 10:51 pm
Posted by bloupe2
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 10/27/15 at 11:29 pm to
Invite me to groupme
Bloupe45@gmail.com
This post was edited on 10/27/15 at 11:34 pm
Posted by Zipfer2022
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 10/28/15 at 1:38 am to
ASU -1.5
Kentucky +8.5
ND -10

I'm 0-2 betting against Temple this year (PSU, ECU) so hopefully third times a charm. ND simply outclasses them. I expect multiple interceptions thrown by PJ.

Also leaning Maryland +17 and Syracuse +20.5 but road dogs have never been kind to me. Still debating.
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