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re: Official Silva vs. Weidman Fight/Prediction Thread
Posted on 7/7/13 at 9:36 am to USMC Gators
Posted on 7/7/13 at 9:36 am to USMC Gators
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Anderson/Vitor for the next shot then.
Should happen and be an exciting fight. Vitor used to have the fastest most explosive hands in MMA. I am not sure any fighter at MW or above has ever had a greater combination of hand speed and power than Belfort did about 10 years ago. Look at his losses. They were to a peak Liddell at LHW, Couture, Tito Ortiz, and Dan Henderson all at their absolute peak. And Overeem. And he lost all those fights in a bunch right after his sister was kidnapped and likely killed.
He doesn't have quite the same speed, but he can beat Weidman if the fight stays off the ground for extended periods of time.
I would say a Vitor/Weidman fight is 60/40 Weidman which is pretty damn close.
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Posted on 7/7/13 at 9:40 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
I bet Rich Franklin drops his happy arse back down to mw too. 
Posted on 7/7/13 at 9:44 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Few comments here...
Vitor definitely deserves the next shot. He has been as impressive as any MW for several years now. I still think Silva was fortunate to connect with the spectacular front kick and I still think Belfort woudl beat Silva in a rematch and is the better fighter. You look at Belfort's record and I really think if Anderson had fought the same guys at the same time as Belfort, Anderson would have about the same record. Weidman-Belfort will be a good one, although Weidman's wrestling gives him the edge.
Anderson was not intentionally disrespecting Weidman. He was baiting him. As I posted earlier in the thread, the ONLY chance Anderson had was an early KO. He tried to anger Weidman into an over aggressive mistake on his feet. It obviously didn't work, but as I have been saying, Weidman is a much better fighter than Silva. They can rematch all they want but Weidman will win 3 out of every 4 and Anderson only has a punchers chance and nothing more.
It's not like Weidman outclasses Anderson everywhere. I wouldn't say Anderson just has a punchers chance to beat Weidman. I would say Anderson's BJJ and striking are still above Weidmans. Weidman is bigger, more powerful, and has better wrestling.
I'm just a little upset that all the questions weren't answered. Anderson never really got going on the feet. We never saw if Weidman could take Anderson down at will or if Anderson could hurt Weidman on the feet. Anderson instead tried to play his head games and got punished by doing so. You were right on your prediction and I give you props for that but I still disagree that Weidman wins 3 out of 4 like you are saying.
This post was edited on 7/7/13 at 9:46 am
Posted on 7/7/13 at 9:44 am to fightingtiger2335
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I'm surprised how many people think it was a fluke punch or even that silva dominates a rematch.
Weidman is a better version of sonnen who dominated silva for 6 rounds. Silva wants no part of a rematch
well silva took the taunting to extreme levels, so the punch was lucky and if he doesn't go that far weidman never gets that chance
and weidman didn't dominate shite. he took him down. got in a minimal amount of gnp. yawn
hell, he had the ability to stay on top of silva all of round 1 and couldn't even do that
Posted on 7/7/13 at 9:46 am to SlowFlowPro
And I just found out that Bonnar is now in the UFC hof. 
It's almost as big of a joke as the WWE one is.
It's almost as big of a joke as the WWE one is.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 9:48 am to USMC Gators
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And I just found out that Bonnar is now in the UFC hof.
mother of god
Posted on 7/7/13 at 9:49 am to USMC Gators
I've always liked Franklin as a person. Nice guy, school teacher, etc.
But he gets WAY too much credit. He has no impressive wins IMO. He beat a Wanderlei who was well past his prime and in the process of losing 6 out of 8 fights. Then a Liddel that should not have even been fighting. And he has lost to every really good fighter he has ever faced.
It also annoys me Anderson Silva gets credit for beating Franklin like it is a big win. It isn't.
People need to look closer at Silva's record in general. I'll keep saying it, the GOAT moniker for him is ridiculous. He has two big wins in his career IMO: Hendo and Vitor. Hendo whipped his arse the entire first round then got caught with a front kick in the throat. Vitor got caught with that front kick as well. That is great and a legit KO, but I still say Silva might not fare well in a rematch with either. And of course half a dozen LHW's would probably beat Silva.
Then look at his losses. Lost to 3 nobodies a couple of which have losing career records. And they weren'r lucky punches. He lost. I don't count the DQ BTW. Then consider he was dominated 5/6 rounds by Sonnen.
Again, people really need to look closer at Anderson's record that have really followed MMA closely the past 12-15 years. His wins and losses.
But he gets WAY too much credit. He has no impressive wins IMO. He beat a Wanderlei who was well past his prime and in the process of losing 6 out of 8 fights. Then a Liddel that should not have even been fighting. And he has lost to every really good fighter he has ever faced.
It also annoys me Anderson Silva gets credit for beating Franklin like it is a big win. It isn't.
People need to look closer at Silva's record in general. I'll keep saying it, the GOAT moniker for him is ridiculous. He has two big wins in his career IMO: Hendo and Vitor. Hendo whipped his arse the entire first round then got caught with a front kick in the throat. Vitor got caught with that front kick as well. That is great and a legit KO, but I still say Silva might not fare well in a rematch with either. And of course half a dozen LHW's would probably beat Silva.
Then look at his losses. Lost to 3 nobodies a couple of which have losing career records. And they weren'r lucky punches. He lost. I don't count the DQ BTW. Then consider he was dominated 5/6 rounds by Sonnen.
Again, people really need to look closer at Anderson's record that have really followed MMA closely the past 12-15 years. His wins and losses.
This post was edited on 7/7/13 at 9:51 am
Posted on 7/7/13 at 9:49 am to SlowFlowPro
but didn't you know Bonnar vs Forrest Griffin was the biggest fight ever 
. They should just let Lesnar into the UFC HoF next.
. They should just let Lesnar into the UFC HoF next.Posted on 7/7/13 at 9:50 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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It also annoys me Anderson Silva gets credit for beating Franklin like it is a big win. It isn't.
well at the time franklin was a big deal and silva fricking DESTROYED him. it was just shocking/in your face
Posted on 7/7/13 at 9:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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well at the time franklin was a big deal
He was hyped to be a big deal.
In reality he never was. He was a tough guy with heart and a relatively well rounded skill set, but that was about it.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 9:54 am to SlowFlowPro
8-7 UFC record by my count with at least 2 drug test fails for steroids.
wasnt dana promising some big news about GSP after the fights? I haven't seen anything.
wasnt dana promising some big news about GSP after the fights? I haven't seen anything.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 9:55 am to SlowFlowPro
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well silva took the taunting to extreme levels, so the punch was lucky and if he doesn't go that far weidman never gets that chance
Umm, if Silva doesn't taunt Weidman to bait him and just fights him, Silva has almost no chance to win the fight.
It was a desperate attempt to even the playing field against a supperior fighter. It didn't work and Silva wants no part of a rematch. I promise that.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 9:55 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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I've always liked Franklin as a person. Nice guy, school teacher, etc.
But he gets WAY too much credit. He has no impressive wins IMO. He beat a Wanderlei who was well past his prime and in the process of losing 6 out of 8 fights. Then a Liddel that should not have even been fighting. And he has lost to every really good fighter he has ever faced.
It also annoys me Anderson Silva gets credit for beating Franklin like it is a big win. It isn't.
People need to look closer at Silva's record in general. I'll keep saying it, the GOAT moniker for him is ridiculous. He has two big wins in his career IMO: Hendo and Vitor. Hendo whipped his arse the entire first round then got caught with a front kick in the throat. Vitor got caught with that front kick as well. That is great and a legit KO, but I still say Silva might not fare well in a rematch with either. And of course half a dozen LHW's would probably beat Silva.
Then look at his losses. Lost to 3 nobodies a couple of which have losing career records. And they weren'r lucky punches. He lost. I don't count the DQ BTW. Then consider he was dominated 5/6 rounds by Sonnen.
Again, people really need to look closer at Anderson's record that have really followed MMA closely the past 12-15 years. His wins and losses.
C'mon man. We can both go down this same road with Fedor.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 9:55 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
but that's all the UFC had at the time at 185
i mean you had jokes like chris leben being big deals in that time frame
it's like the HW division at that time...pretty shitty
i mean you had jokes like chris leben being big deals in that time frame
it's like the HW division at that time...pretty shitty
Posted on 7/7/13 at 9:55 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
He was the best middleweight that wasn't in pride. He is still a very solid fighter and was easily the best middleweight in the UFC at that time before Anderson came in and stomped people.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 9:57 am to Maximus
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wasnt dana promising some big news about GSP after the fights? I haven't seen anything.
i've seen people post about it, but i didn't hear anything else
Posted on 7/7/13 at 9:58 am to SlowFlowPro
It would be so wrong if they screw Johnny Hendricks out of another title shot.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 10:00 am to KingwoodLsuFan
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It would be so wrong if they screw Johnny Hendricks out of another title shot.
Who else would they give it to?
Posted on 7/7/13 at 10:01 am to KingwoodLsuFan
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It's not like Weidman outclasses Anderson everywhere. I wouldn't say Anderson just has a punchers chance to beat Weidman. I would say Anderson's BJJ and striking are still above Weidmans.
I agree Anderson's striking is above Weidman, but if you look at Weidman's striking efficiency, accuracy, and the fact he throws more than any opponent he has faced in the UFC (including Silva now), Weidman is excellent on his feet.
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Weidmans. Weidman is bigger, more powerful, and has better wrestling.
I'm just a little upset that all the questions weren't answered.
Agree and I will always lean toward a wrestler over a striker if the other areas are reasonably close.
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We never saw if Weidman could take Anderson down at will or if Anderson could hurt Weidman on the feet.
Longer the fight goes, worse it is for Anderson. And Weidman did take him down the first committed attempt he made.
I do think Anderson wins if it stays on their feet the entire fight. However, Weidman isn't going to do that. He caught him and got the KO due to the clowning, but Weidman wins 3/4 because he would have likely continued taking him down and pounding if Silva had not made it easy by leaving his face wide open.
Posted on 7/7/13 at 10:10 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Longer the fight goes, worse it is for Anderson. And Weidman did take him down the first committed attempt he made.
I do think Anderson wins if it stays on their feet the entire fight. However, Weidman isn't going to do that. He caught him and got the KO due to the clowning, but Weidman wins 3/4 because he would have likely continued taking him down and pounding if Silva had not made it easy by leaving his face wide open.
Weidman did try a couple halfass takedowns later in the fight but it was very easy for Anderson to prevent those takedowns because his hands were so low.
On that first takedown it wasn't a gimmie and Anderson sprawled very well. Weidman did a great job getting in so deep on it and could fight through the sprwal. Then Weidman was having a lot of trouble getting through andersons guard to advance his position. He did hit a few good shots but Anderson was very active off his back.
We also don't know how Weidman would fare in a 5 round fight. He is a wrestler so I would guess his cardio is good, but he is still huge for a middleweight so I don't know what happens there.
My problem is there is just so many speculations and what ifs left after this fight.
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