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re: Miami vs Dallas - The Rashard Lewis Effect - 8pm CT

Posted on 6/10/11 at 11:34 am to
Posted by TotesMcGotes
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Posted on 6/10/11 at 11:34 am to
In those 2 games Dirk has taken and made all of 2 threes.

Peja did not play last night.
Posted by jcole4lsu
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Posted on 6/10/11 at 11:38 am to
terry and kidd played, right?
plus dallas has deshawn i cry more than dwade stevenson and jj and the custodian, all capable of making 3s.

its the reason i picked dallas in 6, they have a shite load of shooters, a couple are bound to get off on any given night. especially once miami starts to commit to dirk, someone will open up. dallas passes the ball and finds the open man as good as anyone.

Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/10/11 at 12:00 pm to
68% is a fluke, especially when you consider that Dirk and Peja combined for one 3. Barea is not a good 3 point shooter. Neither is Kidd. The Mavs have one player on their current roster who shot over 40% from three this season, and that's Peja. He shot exactly 40% and didn't even play last night.

Posted by TulaneTigerFan
Seattle
Member since Sep 2005
35856 posts
Posted on 6/10/11 at 12:01 pm to
Barea nailing step back threes over defenders 6 inches taller than him is normal bro
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
27900 posts
Posted on 6/10/11 at 12:03 pm to
Yea I guess I forgot to factor that in.
Posted by jcole4lsu
The Kwisatz Haderach
Member since Nov 2007
31901 posts
Posted on 6/10/11 at 12:08 pm to
ok so now your rationale is that dallas ISNT a great 3 point shooting team?
quote:

Neither is Kidd

hes like 3rd all time

how many games have the mavs played in this post season? 20 so far i think.

2 out of 20 is 10%. so the mavs have shot 60%+ from 3 10% of their games in the 2011 playoffs.

unexpected to be able to do it game 5? sure. of course its not normal.
but something being not normal isnt a fluke. its not like a bunch of guys who cant shoot suddenly got hot.
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 6/10/11 at 12:15 pm to
Being 3rd all time doesn't make him a great 3 point shooter, it makes him extremely durable over an insanely long career.

Again, it's a small sample size. They were lucky to shoot so well. It was a fluke.
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
33402 posts
Posted on 6/10/11 at 12:41 pm to
quote:

68% is a fluke,


It is higher than normal but Dallas normally has one of these higher than normal games at least once during a seven game series.

Plus Dallas has been playing better in the playoffs than during the regular season.

Before the Finals started they were averaging 100.2 points per game. They averaged 104 points per game in their first three playoff series.

For the playoffs Dirk is shooting 51.2% from the three point line, Terry is shooting 44.3% and Cardinal is shooting 66.7%.
Yea, expect to see more of the Greatest, Whitest Hope and less of Peja. LINK

Unless you don't have cable, you know Barea can have great shooting games too.
In the first round he had two games where he made 1-2 threes. In the second round he had one 2-4 game. In the third round he had one 2-3 and one 3-5 game. NBA.com

Even though he is an assists guy, Kidd is top twenty all time making threes and has made over 40% of them in three of the last six years. He has had a couple of games where he made eight threes in a game. NBA.com

Stephenson ranks #1 in the NBA in Three-Point Field Goals Per 48 Minutes with 3.9. He has also made as many as eight in a game. LINK

If you guys were arguing that it is flukey to have one of these great shooting games against Miami's defense I would agree. Arguing that Dallas should never have a great shooting game in the playoffs is frincking ridiculous.
This post was edited on 6/10/11 at 12:43 pm
Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
27900 posts
Posted on 6/10/11 at 12:54 pm to
I think I did make the point that it is a fluke to shoot this well against Miami's D in this or another thread.

Brian Cardinal doesn't count, and Dirk takes 2 threes a game. I was told Chris Paul isn't a legitimate three point shooter because he doesn't shoot enough by pretty much this entire board. Using that logic, Dirk isn't one either.

Again, Barea had made 4 threes in a game zero times this season (career?) prior to last night. Step back threes over guys much bigger than him, too.

Terry is shooting like this with LeBron on him, not Kevin Martin.
Posted by ZTiger87
Member since Nov 2009
11536 posts
Posted on 6/10/11 at 1:27 pm to
quote:

I think I did make the point that it is a fluke to shoot this well against Miami's D in this or another thread.


Miami hasn't defended the 3 point line well all playoffs. They have been great in other areas, but they have allowed a ton of open 3s.
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
33402 posts
Posted on 6/10/11 at 1:37 pm to
quote:

I think I did make the point that it is a fluke to shoot this well against Miami's D in this or another thread.

Terry is shooting like this with LeBron on him, not Kevin Martin.


These things are amazing but this isn't the argument I am involved in.

SFP and others are making out like a great shooting game from Dallas is amazing.

I just think too many people have been enamored with Eastern Conference basketball this year. Miami, Chicago, New York and Boston were the big stories during the regular season.

Miami running through the other two good teams was the big story throughout the first three rounds of the playoffs.

Long time NBA fans know the West has been the tougher of the two conferences for years.

Four Eastern teams made enough noise in the regular season to change the way people looked at the East & West.

Miami got Bron and Bosch, Chicago had the best record, New York got Melo and Boston was already playing well as they have since they drafted Rondo and got Garnett and Allen.

Because of all of the hype generated by coverage of these Eastern teams everybody is just assuming Miami had the tougher path to the Finals.

No one is giving Dallas any credit because the West is supposedly way down.

I don't think the West is as far down as everyone makes it out to be.

The Eastern teams as a rule play better defense collectively. The Western teams play better offense collectively. The stats prove most of this.

Eastern fans say their offensive stats are low because of the defense played in their conference.

The adage of defense winning championships is cited by everyone once the playoffs start.

I agree that defense is a very big factor in the playoffs. I have seen Mavs teams lose multiple playoff series because of their lack of defense.

This year's team is different. With Chandler, Marion and Stephenson Dallas has some good defensive players. Kidd has a great reputation as a defensive player too.

Heywood and Corey Brewer, who hasn't been used against Miami, are also really good defenders.

Dirk, Terry and Barea are never going to be great, or even really good defenders, but they are definitely capable of having great offensive games.

I am sure the he Heat is thankful Carron Butler isn't playing because he is pretty good defensively and had become as big an offensive threat as Terry for part of his time with Dallas.

This is the best offensive team the Heat has faced in this year's playoffs.

I know New York scored more points but Dallas could have done better than they did if Nellie was still coaching them. The only problem with Nellie's coaching is they wouldn't be in the Finals with his style.

Dallas is the best team the Heat has faced because they can score like New York and play defense in spurts like a good Eastern team.

Scoreboard (3-2) proves it!
This post was edited on 6/10/11 at 1:41 pm
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
Seattle
Member since Sep 2005
35856 posts
Posted on 6/10/11 at 1:45 pm to
You Mavs homers with your novella sized posts try to justify an obvious statistical anomaly amuse me.

Is it less surprising that Dallas outperformed all other NBA teams in the playoffs this season last night in terms of jump shot efficiency than a team like Chicago doing it? Yes. Is it normal or to be expected with any type of regularity against a team as proficient defensively as Miami? No.
Posted by Ghazi
Dallas Mavs 2011 NBA Champions
Member since Dec 2007
16121 posts
Posted on 6/10/11 at 2:11 pm to
u mad?

If not for fluke game 3, Miami is done already.
Posted by Xenophon
Aspen
Member since Feb 2006
42640 posts
Posted on 6/10/11 at 2:13 pm to
if not for fluke game 2, the series is over already..
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 6/10/11 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

If not for fluke game 3



Posted by TotesMcGotes
New York, New York
Member since Mar 2009
27900 posts
Posted on 6/10/11 at 2:14 pm to
If not for fluke game 2 and 5, Dallas is done already.
Posted by TulaneTigerFan
Seattle
Member since Sep 2005
35856 posts
Posted on 6/10/11 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

u mad?


Nah bro, I don't really care either way. I'm not emotionally invested in Miami like I was the Cavs. Dallas is up and deserves to be up.
Posted by Ghazi
Dallas Mavs 2011 NBA Champions
Member since Dec 2007
16121 posts
Posted on 6/10/11 at 2:25 pm to
Just be happy for him (Dirk) on Sunday...man
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
33402 posts
Posted on 6/10/11 at 2:25 pm to
quote:

Miami? No.


As I said earlier this is not the argument I was involved in.

People were acting like Dallas wasn't ever capable of doing this in a playoff game period.

Miami let up and was not playing their normal great defense when Dallas was making most of those threes.

Dallas made the shots they normally make at least once during nearly every seven game series they have played for the last ten years.

The exceptions were the Heat series in 2006, Hornets series in 2008 and the Golden State series in 2007. LINK

Some of the people on this board must not have watched the Mavs playoff games in any other years.
This post was edited on 6/10/11 at 2:31 pm
Posted by chinese58
NELA. after 30 years in Dallas.
Member since Jun 2004
33402 posts
Posted on 6/10/11 at 2:42 pm to
quote:

your novella sized posts


I apologize for the length of a few of these posts but I have no where else to write about this series.

My Facebook friends are all Mavs fans too. They love to read this kind of stuff but none of them spur me to prove similar points.

At this point in my life the MSB is the only place I have left to tell my stories.

There are no other cave walls for me to draw upon.
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