re: James Posey = Robert Horry

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setting up an intangible-based argument so you can NEVER be wrong...always clutch stuff

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yea, its pretty hard to beat when your basing your argument off of a box score.

show me some stats that reflect good defense, show me the stat that reflects "if mo gets the ball, 99% of the time he shoots it or turns it over" how about drawn charges.

you can only take this bullshite "points are all that matters" argument so far.

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they had so much faith in him they would put Pargo in with CP3 at the end of games.

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they did that because pargo could create his own shot off the dribble when people locked down on the pick and roll. Not that hard to understand.

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keep on eye on that this year. I'd be willing to be Posey will be in the game when it matters and not Peterson

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and i'm willing to bet that as a result, the hornets late game possessions in tight games will be remarkably similar to last years. Paul trying to drive and kick for a contested 3 pointer.

By every single measurable statistic Posey and MoPete have about the same level of production. They are the same height. Weight. and Age.
Posey is a better defender and rebounder. MoPete is a slightly better shooter.

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you and jake should watch some games if you are going to argue so feverishly against them.

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i watch almost every nba game i can watch les.
what the hell are you arguing about? my statement is that the hornets are a playoff team. 3rd or better in the west.

but not good enough personnel to win the nba championship.

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show me some stats that reflect good defense, show me the stat that reflects "if mo gets the ball, 99% of the time he shoots it or turns it over" how about drawn charges.

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PER and Plus Minus are stats that are all conclusive, and are based on the team's success while that player is in the game with regards to either the player's replacement or how the team does when player enters the game.

Posey and MoPete career wise are within 1 pt of each other.

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who has the personnel to win the championship if the Hornets do not?

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Hornets, Lakers, Jazz, Rockets, Spurs, Celtics, Pistons, Cavs all look to have what it takes. Who knows, maybe someone else emerges.

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Hornets, Lakers, Jazz, Rockets, Spurs, Celtics, Pistons, Cavs all look to have what it takes. Who knows, maybe someone else emerges.

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I was asking Karma

I have a feeling he'll see Boston and LA, and thats it.


Because if the Hornets dont have the personnel, those are the only teams I can see him saying have the personnel.

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dude, shut the hell up...

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just because you man crush on Two Ring doesn't mean I'm not right.

Do your own research.

The point isn't that Posey isn't better than Mo Pete. the point is that James Posey being better than Mo Pete won't be enough for the Hornets to win a championship.

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just because you man crush on Two Ring doesn't mean I'm not right

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i've never once used that contrived "he's got rings" garbage. wether or not a player has won a championship has no bearing what so ever on how good of a player they are.

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2007-08 season: Posey has become the ultimate specialist. He does the things he can do -- shoot 3s, defend and defensive rebound -- and virtually nothing else. His shot selection is the most obvious example -- nearly three-quarters of his shots were 3-pointers, the highest rate among small forwards and second only to Cleveland's Damon Jones league-wide. He hit 38.0 percent of his 3s and also drew a remarkably high rate of fouls for a jump shooter, and as a result his true shooting percentage ranked fifth at his position.

On the boards, Posey had the biggest differential between offensive and defensive rebounding I've ever seen. His offensive rebound rate was a minuscule 2.1, ranking fifth-to-last among small forwards, but his defensive rebound rate of 18.0 was the third best and beat that of many centers.

He was a bystander on offense when the 3s weren't falling because he can't handle the ball well enough to create shots on his own, which is why his player efficiency rating was only 12.08. But by focusing on his talents and leaving the rest to others, Posey became a valuable cog on a championship team for a second time in three seasons.

Scouting report: Posey is 6-8 and at 31 is still a decent athlete, so he does an excellent job defending small forwards. He's not as good when used against quicker perimeter players; in fact the Celtics went in the opposite direction last season and often used him at power forward in small-ball sets. He excels at taking charges, though, racking up 28 last season; on a per-minute basis only three wing players accumulated more.

Offensively, he's a capable finisher on the break, but mostly he sets up for 3-pointers. Miami used him more in the corners, but for Boston most of his tries came from the wings. From either spot he's reasonably accurate, just as long as he doesn't have to dribble a step in -- over the past three years he's 15-for-76 on long 2-pointers.

2008-09 outlook: Posey opted out of his contract and signed a four-year, $24 million deal with the Hornets. From New Orleans' end, that seems to be an overreaction to his role in helping Boston to a title -- consider that with almost exactly the same numbers a year earlier, the best Posey could do was two years for a portion of Boston's midlevel. That's probably about what his real value is.

More power to Posey if he can get the extra ducats, and he'll certainly help the Hornets in a couple areas. For one, they drew surprisingly few offensive fouls, and that's a Posey specialty. Second, his ability to knock down long-range shots should make him an effective sniper from the corner when defenses collapse on Chris Paul's drives. Nonetheless, I believe New Orleans will regret not using this money on their paper-thin frontcourt, and the last two years of the contract in particular could end up a dead loss.

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So here's the question- and my point all along.

Were the Hornets a 3 pt shooter/good defender/defensive rebounder away from winning last season?

I say no. They were a decent big and an offensive threat away.

well, i never said posey was "the missing piece" at any point any of the ump-teen times we've had this same argument.

i think last year they were a solid 6th and a big man away. posey is a great 6th for the hornets but they're still a big man away from being a team i would put my money on to win it all. BUT a break out year from hilton or juju, imo, in combination with some form of melt down by the lakers and they could win it all.

so, i agree with you that this probobly won't be the hornets year, but it is a "remote" possibility

edit: provided chandler and paul stay fairly injury free.

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Do your own research.

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No, you do YOUR own research instead of your bullshite "Deron Williams kills Chris Paul" weak arse shite.