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re: hearing rumors FSU & Clem to SEC, PAC raiding Big 12, big 4 Conferences forming
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:15 pm to OrangeBlood
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:15 pm to OrangeBlood
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Simply, if the PAC desires to raid the Big-12, they will.
What does the Pac12 offer the Big12 schools to entice them to leave? Not a flame, a serious question. More money? How much and what else would it be?
None if the teams don't mind the LHN. The ones that had problem have left and OU is starting its own so. There is no reason to leave.
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Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:21 pm to big Tiger 1885
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There is no reason to leave.
I agree - a move for Texas and OU at this point serves no purpose as it would decrease brand image (due to the regional shared network approach of the Pac12) with very little, if any, increase in revenue. And it's probably no stretch to say that the Pac12 would require those two schools in order to take any others.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:24 pm to big Tiger 1885
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Still not going to happen. Texas isn't giving up the LHN, OU is working on a network, TTU just signed an agreement to cover all their sports. I would imagine that OSU would follow suit. Plus I don't think the the PAC 12 would want to fight the lawsuits that would be thrown out there. Baylor screwed A&M for almost a month and that would be minor compared to the lawsuits filled. I bet that FSU and Clemson go to the Big 12, because they probably are pissed at the tv contract it sucks giant monkey nuts. I also wouldn't be surprised if GT, Miami, Louisville, and ND joined the Big 12 to form the 1st mega conference
With all due respect to OrangeBlood, as he is a neat poster and I have very much enjoyed reading his posts, one forgets that the rest of the Big-12 hates UT getting greedy. OU and 3 others were literally begging my Conference for Admission last time these issues came up. In the end, we turned them all down, though left the door open if we were forced to add more teams if the rest of the Country added more ect...
The problem is UT. Texas wants to get greedy, imo, and push all the others around in the Big 12, just see Tamu for an example. Yes they may all of signed contracts. But each lawyers find tacky ways to get out of all contracts. And history has proved, if a leading program truly desires to leave a Conference, there is not a single thing any such Conference can do about it. See Tamu, See West Virginia. Also before that, see Colorado or even more Nebraska. No one on the planet is able to strap down a School with sticking with one Conference, I care not what current Contracts say. History has proven otherwise. They all negotiate down, boosters are willing to pay monies to exit, there is simply not anything one can do about it. Lawyers from Baylor do not scare anybody.
(and I love Baylor, they are my Big-12 team I pull full, almost went to School there, almost married a BU gall.) But facts are facts. History is history. Whatever Schools want to do, they are going to do. Period!Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:35 pm to DucksflyinPAC
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With all due respect to OrangeBlood, as he is a neat poster and I have very much enjoyed reading his posts, one forgets that the rest of the Big-12 hates UT getting greedy. OU and 3 others were literally begging my Conference for Admission last time these issues came up. In the end, we turned them all down, though left the door open if we were forced to add more teams if the rest of the Country added more ect...
The PAC 12 had their chance and blew it. They schoold the PAC would want are all taking care of themselves. Texas has the LHN, OU and TTU have started (or planning to start) their own networks. The other schools are just happy to not be in the Big East or MWC.
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Also before that, see Colorado or even more Nebraska.
COlorado and Nebraska just had to pay an exit fee because they left in between contracts. A&M and Mizz had to let the Big 12 find replacements before they left. WVU leaving the BE is a different they settled out of court, but if it had gone to court they would have lost. Baylor and the other schoold probably wouldn't settle because they would be fricked. WVU had to pay way more to leave early though
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:37 pm to DucksflyinPAC
You're basically saying that one way out is for the school to breach its contract, which I agree with. That's why I mentioned it in an earlier post.
The other ways are a specific out clause that allows the school to buy back its rights or a complete collapse of the conference. Breaching the contract is the most likely scenario but as the total payout per school starts to even out between conferences (say the Pac12 and Big12) then the likelihood of a school breaching its contract starts to decrease. That's why I asked earlier what the Pac12 would use to entice the Big12 schools....more money? Something else? What?
The other ways are a specific out clause that allows the school to buy back its rights or a complete collapse of the conference. Breaching the contract is the most likely scenario but as the total payout per school starts to even out between conferences (say the Pac12 and Big12) then the likelihood of a school breaching its contract starts to decrease. That's why I asked earlier what the Pac12 would use to entice the Big12 schools....more money? Something else? What?
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:41 pm to OrangeBlood
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What does the Pac12 offer the Big12 schools to entice them to leave? Not a flame, a serious question. More money? How much and what else would it be?
Do not worry. You are a great poster and I have much enjoyed reading your posts!
If you must know, the PAC is one of the most stable and long standing Conferences. Not to mention, currently the most rich. That is why OU and 3 others desired to leave the Big-12 recently, and it looked like it was for sure, our Comish desired it, but our Presidents vetoed the plan. We are very happy with 12 teams. Our Comish wants 16. We will only seek more if the National Landscape pushes us too.
What we offer more then any other is Money and security, and prestige. In the PAC, we are like Ivy league Schools. And we control the Countries first and most famous of bowls, The Rose Bowl and also the Fiesta Bowl. On top of that, we have a new Comish, that is VERY aggressive. His plans entail us expanding into the future PAC Network Media rights into all of Asia. In time, we will be super rich. Plus, we are home to this Countries entertainment capital in L.A. Not to mention home to the Countries Silicon Valley in San Fran. We are partnering with Apple, Google, Hewet Packard, and all the rest of the Nations leading Tech leaders to help our Network out. We will be the most cutting edge Conference by a long shot. We already are that way. As we are currently the only Conference that owns all the rights to our Tiers of media. The Big Ten was the fist to launch their own network, but they do not own their own rights. We do however. And everyone is trying hard to copy us now.
Just wait till this fall, to see how the PAC shapes up and in the future when we combine all our resources and have a Global presence. We have currently the richest TV deal. And while others may temp jump us, such as the SEC, in a few years time, we will expand much and far outpace them.
PAC- First ever Bowl game. The Conference that launched the modern Bowl systems. The Conference that has in it's territory the leading Media, and Technology epicenter to advance and be at always the forefront. And one compares this to a Conference that lost Nebraska, Colorado, Tamu, and such? The Big-12 is very unstable. The PAC is the most Stable. Very logical, if you ask me...
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:47 pm to DucksflyinPAC
While some of these points may be true and good, in my opinion, many are largely irrelevant to the issue of athletic departments (and schools) changing conference affiliation. They appear to be relevant in your opinion.
And I tend to disagree that the Pac12 schools not named Cal and Stanford are "like Ivy League Schools."
And I tend to disagree that the Pac12 schools not named Cal and Stanford are "like Ivy League Schools."
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:55 pm to OrangeBlood
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And I tend to disagree that the Pac12 schools not named Cal and Stanford are "like Ivy League Schools."
Add UCLA, Washington and USC to that list...
Posted on 5/10/12 at 1:55 pm to DucksflyinPAC
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Not to mention, currently the most rich
That will change come july when the new SEC deal is finished
Also the new Big 12 deal puts the schools at 20 million before 3rd rights are sold. The PAC is 21 plus PAC 12 networks which if I remeber right everyone is saying brings the total to around 30 mil. Texas makes 15 mil from LHN add that to the 20 mil for the Big 12 contract and you get 35. They would actually lose money to go to PAC and have to give up their precise LHN which they have refused to do twice so why would they do it now?
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Just wait till this fall, to see how the PAC shapes up and in the future when we combine all our resources and have a Global presence. We have currently the richest TV deal. And while others may temp jump us, such as the SEC, in a few years time, we will expand much and far outpace them.
The SEC will always be top dog when it comes to money because the SEC will always be the best football conference top to bottom. You can brag about oh the PAC is in Asia, but more people in th US will watch a Ole Miss Arky game over a UCLA ASU game.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:00 pm to DucksflyinPAC
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DucksflyinPAC
The reasons why a lot of your threads get to 10 pages is because you write 7 of them yourself
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:01 pm to big Tiger 1885
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big Tiger 1885
I was not talking of Texas. We would be happy to not take Texas. Texas will probably do their own thing. I was more talking OU and the others with them.
Also, we are not currently into Asia. We have not even launched our PAC-12 Network yet. But wait till the end of this summer and see it yourself what we do launch. And then in short time, watch us advance and launch our Network to 1 Billion homes or more in Asia. Money will be flowing in and currently so and in the end of our goals, the SEC will not have more money trickling in...
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:03 pm to Buckeye06
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DucksflyinPAC
The reasons why a lot of your threads get to 10 pages is because you write 7 of them yourself
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:04 pm to Buckeye06
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The reasons why a lot of your threads get to 10 pages is because you write 7 of them yourself
lol, jealous much? And yet you follow all them and take the time to post in mine. lol
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:06 pm to DucksflyinPAC
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summer and see it yourself what we do launch. And then in short time, watch us advance and launch our Network to 1 Billion homes or more in Asia. Money will be flowing in and currently so and in the end of our goals, the SEC will not have more money trickling in...
the SEC is rumored to be 55-70 million per team (of course that just TD rumors) If thats true I would like to see the PAC top it
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:09 pm to DucksflyinPAC
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Add UCLA, Washington and USC to that list...
Seriously? 75% of entering freshmen at UW had lower than a 30 on the ACT and lower than a 2000 (out of 2400) SAT. Those arent average scores, that's all but the top quarter of freshman matriculants falling below that line.
USC and UCLA are better (still nowhere near Ivy League), but you PAC 12 people are brainwashed into thinking most of your schools are Harvards of the Pacific, and that's just not the case.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:13 pm to DucksflyinPAC
Okla, okie st, texas tech, & texas to pac-12
Fsu and clemson to sec
Kansas, ksu, iowa st, & nd to big ten
Louisville, usm, cinncinati, uconn to the acc
We heard all this shite last spring and summer.
Fsu and clemson to sec
Kansas, ksu, iowa st, & nd to big ten
Louisville, usm, cinncinati, uconn to the acc
We heard all this shite last spring and summer.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:15 pm to DucksflyinPAC
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Also, we are not currently into Asia. We have not even launched our PAC-12 Network yet. But wait till the end of this summer and see it yourself what we do launch. And then in short time, watch us advance and launch our Network to 1 Billion homes or more in Asia. Money will be flowing in and currently so and in the end of our goals, the SEC will not have more money trickling in...
There aren't one billion TVs on the planet, much less in all of Asia. Expanding into Asia is a rabbit that the PAC 12 is chasing that will lead them off a cliff. Nobody cares about football there and getting 1% of china to care about PAC 12 olympic sports would mean 10 million people, except most of them won't be able to afford subscription television or maybe TVs at all. Let's not forget that what drives TV rights is advertising, and companies won't be lining up for face time with impoverished people in a communist state.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:21 pm to DucksflyinPAC
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OU and 3 others were literally begging my Conference for Admission last time these issues came up. In the end, we turned them all down
Proof of this "we" stuff. Conjecture.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:26 pm to DucksflyinPAC
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Not to mention, currently the most rich
O Really??
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In the PAC, we are like Ivy league Schools
In what regard? Honestly. Ivy League? Laughable.
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And we control the Countries first and most famous of bowls
You mean half of it. The Rose Bowl has an agreement between TWO conferences.
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The PAC is the most Stable
Intredasting.
Posted on 5/10/12 at 2:42 pm to big Tiger 1885
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the SEC is rumored to be 55-70 million per team (of course that just TD rumors) If thats true I would like to see the PAC top it
The PAC has Hollywood. The PAC has the entertainment Capital of the World. The PAC has the technology Capital of the world in Silicon Valley. The PAC invented the literal processors that enable you to even type on this thread. The PAC launched CFB to where it is now, inventing the first Bowl game and all others copied us. The PAC was first the PCC(Pacific Coast Conference, which was formed in my city of Portland). Thus I have a motive to speak about it. The PAC-12 is the Conference of Champions and the 2nd most Champion winning Conference in all sports is over 200 Titles short of the great PAC.
If the PAC-12 were it's own Nation, it would be 4th most winning Nation in the World in Olympic games.
The SEC has won a recent string of CFB Titles. Congrats...
However The SEC vs the PAC-12 in terms of what it offers? Not even close...And you know so...
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