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re: Face it Federer is the GOAT
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:18 pm to Bunk Moreland
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:18 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:And done with winning majors. If they were the same age Fed would have a winning record against Nadal. I mean look how bad Nadal is at 29 already
Rafa is four years younger.
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Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:24 pm to lsupride87
Plus a lot of those losses are on Nadal's best surface. They are about .500 against each other on grass and hardcourts.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:25 pm to Bunk Moreland
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10-23 versus Nadal.
What a slanted, biased account. Nadal couldn't face Federer for a while on hards or grass courts because he wasn't good enough to make it finals to face Fed. Federer consistently made it finals of clay courts where Nadal is greatest ever.
Second, if it wasn't for Wimbly slowing their courts down, Nadal never wins there.
Context is key to that head-to-head
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:27 pm to Taurus
quote:And lets not forget the age. Nadal is 29 and done. Fed is 33 and still trucking. If they were the same age Fed would have racked up victories from 28-33
What a slanted, biased account. Nadal couldn't face Federer for a while on hards or grass courts because he wasn't good enough to make it finals to face Fed. Federer consistently made it finals of clay courts where Nadal is greatest ever.
Second, if it wasn't for Wimbly slowing their courts down, Nadal never wins there.
Context is key to that head-to-head
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:28 pm to Taurus
To me, you throw out the grass and clay majors. The 3 Aussie losses are really bad for Fed as it is supposedly a neutral surface. I guess the argument is Roger wasn't in his prime then and he would have beaten Rafa if they played at the US Open in Fed's prime, but that is starting to get a bit dodgy in defending Roger.
This post was edited on 7/10/15 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:29 pm to lsupride87
Nadal wouldn't play until 33. He's close to done now.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:30 pm to Mikes My Tiger
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Rafa is great, but it's hard to go against Federer. Rafa never dominated like Federer did. 7 straight Wimbeldon finals winning 6 of them (5 in a row), 6 straight US open finals winning the first 5 in a row and also won 4 out of 7 Australian opens. I know he struggled with the French only winning one, but he made the finals 5 times in 6 years. No one has ever had a run like that and it could be a while before we see it again.
No way to argue this... And he is STILL going strong at 33...We may see him play another 3 years tops... Enjoy it while you can folks............
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:30 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:Huh? It is now more obvious than ever. Nadal at 28 isnt a top player anymore. Fed is 33 and still the number 2. If they were the same age fed would dominated Nadal from 28-33. It isnt Feds Fault that Nadal isnt good enough to make it deep in tournaments and face him. It was the same thing early in Nadals career. If Nadal would have actually been worth a shite on hard courts and grass, fed would have dominated him. But Nadal would lose in the early rounds
but that is starting to get a bit dodgy in defending Roger.
This post was edited on 7/10/15 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:31 pm to goldennugget
Wat team he on
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:31 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:Which is my point. Fed was forced to play nadal when nadal was at his best and Fed wasnt. Now that Fed is still great and Nadal isnt, they wont play anymore
Nadal wouldn't play until 33. He's close to done now
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:32 pm to lsupride87
I'll let SystemsGo handle it from here because I don't have the energy.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:33 pm to goldennugget
Nadal has his number. That doesn't mean he's better. It means he's better against him. Same for boxing or any 1 on 1 sport
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:33 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:I mean I have gone at him a thousand times. I will say this, interview any pro or college tennis player, and 99.99% will say Fed. We understand how slanted the head to head record is
I'll let SystemsGo handle it from here because I don't have the energy
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:35 pm to lsupride87
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And lets not forget the age. Nadal is 29 and done. Fed is 33 and still trucking. If they were the same age Fed would have racked up victories from 28-33
Two things that need to be considered in GOAT that seemed to be overlooked are consistency and longevity.
Mostly because people grade dominance in a certain window (insert # of years) and total grand slams much higher. That's OK, but when you start comparing individuals and how close their dominance and slam totals might be, then other factors need to be the where these guys stack up.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:37 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Rafa was the best at his peak. Federer has the better career due to better health.
Good thing 'best at his peak' is the most important question .
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:38 pm to Bunk Moreland
quote:
I'll let SystemsGo handle it from here because I don't have the energy.
I don't either today,
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:39 pm to SystemsGo
quote:Even Rafas peak wasnt better......
Good thing 'best at his peak' is the most important question .
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:40 pm to lsupride87
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I will say this, interview any pro or college tennis player, and 99.99% will say Fed. We understand how slanted the head to head record is
This doesn't necessarily mean much considering he was probably most of these players idols growing up.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:40 pm to SystemsGo
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Good thing 'best at his peak' is the most important question
I disagree here.
Posted on 7/10/15 at 1:40 pm to Taurus
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What a slanted, biased account. Nadal couldn't face Federer for a while on hards or grass courts because he wasn't good enough to make it finals to face Fed. Federer consistently made it finals of clay courts where Nadal is greatest ever.
Second, if it wasn't for Wimbly slowing their courts down, Nadal never wins there.
Context is key to that head-to-head
You keep saying this. It isn't right at all. The only thing that would have happened if they played more is the total would look worse. They could play on a goddamn sheet of ice and Rafa would win. Fed just can't beat Nadal. There's no arguing around it.
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