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re: CONCACAF World Cup Qualifying - Guatemala v USA

Posted on 8/21/08 at 1:26 am to
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
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Posted on 8/21/08 at 1:26 am to
Our team still looks shitty. I'm tired of watching shitty soccer. We need to inject some youth and life into this team. Heath Pearce is an embarrassment, in fact, the whole defense usually is embarrassing.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
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Posted on 8/21/08 at 1:36 am to
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Left Back because Pearce is very very bad. I really like Dempsey and I actually like Bradley (at times)


I don't think Pearce is as bad as he showed tonight. He got caught upfield a couple of times, but for the most part recovered. He can play much better. I think Dempsey as a forward isn't a good move, but there isn't anywhere else on the field to put him. I wish one of our young strikers would step up other than Altidore, because options up top seem pretty bare.

I think Bradley might be one of our better players in the end. He has offensive capabilities, which he has shown on the club level, and he is fearless in defense. Sometimes he gets foolish cards, but I really like him.

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F-Dempsey
F-Altidore
RM-Donovan
RCM-Bradley
LCM-Adu
LM-Beasley
RB-Dolo
RCB-Gooch
LCB-Bocanegra
LB-Masteroni


That back line is fairly old. You also have to find a place for Benny Feilhaber. There are also some players like Sacha Kljestan and Robbie Rogers who might work their way into a rotation. Edu is another player who you have to consider. He showed the ability to play center back in the Olympics. I know he got a stupid red card but Michael Orozco was fairly impressive going up the wings. He might be an option at left back. There is actually a large group of players like Lee Ngyuen, Kenny Cooper, Gabriel Ferrari, Kamani Hill, Charlie Davies, Dax McCarty and many others who I am forgetting who I hope will get at least some time in the WC qualifying games, especially if they are in some blowouts. I doubt any of them will, but they might.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 8/21/08 at 1:42 am to
Pearce is always bad.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 8/21/08 at 1:46 am to
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Pearce is always bad.


Perhaps, but I am sure he can play better. He needs to if they keep giving him the cap.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 8/21/08 at 1:48 am to
Might be time to call up some younger defenders.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 8/21/08 at 1:50 am to
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Might be time to call up some younger defenders.


Marvel Wynne?
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 8/21/08 at 1:57 am to
Marvelle Wynne is a rec player.
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19695 posts
Posted on 8/21/08 at 7:18 am to
The thing that I enjoy about "current US Soccer fan" is that they think that this is a game of FIFA '08 on Xbox.

Eddie Lewis was a GREAT call up. The best free kick taker we have in the player pool and balanced moving forward and covering back very well, up until the point where he almost got decapitated. Beasley wasn't ready to go for more than 30 minutes tonight.

Frankie Hejduk is still a great choice. He can play both back positions, and is far and away the most fit player the US has.

While everyone wants to see guys who have 1 or 2 caps (Cooper, Rogers, etc.) Guatemala City isn't the place for those guys.

Perfect team to get a result in a place we hadn't won at in 20 years.
Posted by CrazyTigerFan
Member since Nov 2003
3553 posts
Posted on 8/21/08 at 10:41 am to
Well, the team got the win and the 3 points, which is huge and sets the tone for the rest of the group stage. If we can get another 3 at Cuba on September 6th, it would take a pretty massive failure during the rest of the stage to not advance to the next round.

The defense played well for the most part, and the offense played well for stretches. It's still going to take some more creativity and cohesiveness to be able to seriously challenge and compete at the Finals level.

With Cherundulo out for the Cuba match due to the red card, what does Bradley do with the defense to keep the quality of play high enough to compete and (hopefully) win? The usual suspects didn't pick up cards today, which is good. But if Dempsey or Mastroeni were to pick up a second yellow during the group stage, we'll need Edu, Adu, Klejstan, and whoever to be able to step in and step it up. Hopefully Beasley will return to full match readiness and be able to start and contribute considerable time by the 6th or the 10th.

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While everyone wants to see guys who have 1 or 2 caps (Cooper, Rogers, etc.) Guatemala City isn't the place for those guys.

I totally agree with that. I'd even venture that at Cuba might not be the best of times to experiment. However, with a huge goal differential advantage against Barbados going into the road match of the tie, Bradley opted to not work most of those guys then either. They only got a little sniff here and there against our slate of friendlies in the past year, which would have been a great time to work in 20 or 30 minutes against some top flight competition. When is the right time? It's got to happen some time.

It's not that any change is a good change, it's that people want to be improving at a consistent pace. And the national team seems to be in almost the same position now that it was eight years ago. There's hope on the horizon, but we really don't know if it will be any better, any worse, or just more of the same at this point.
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
36721 posts
Posted on 8/21/08 at 3:30 pm to
no one's really talked about it, but we looked terrible and would have been slaughtered if that was anybody good
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 8/21/08 at 3:36 pm to
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And the national team seems to be in almost the same position now that it was eight years ago.



exactly. we need to improve, you have to experiment with new things. we do the same things every year and we keep having the same results. it's time to get a foreign coach.
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
15901 posts
Posted on 8/21/08 at 4:25 pm to
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Eddie Lewis was a GREAT call up


Strongly Disagree. He is a very savvy and solid player, but he is just solid and we have PLENTY of those people already. I know Beasley wasn't completely ready but Lewis gets hurt and Beas comes in and almost immediately puts the corner kick on Bocanegra's head.

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While everyone wants to see guys who have 1 or 2 caps (Cooper, Rogers, etc.) Guatemala City isn't the place for those guys.


Although I agree that some of those 3rd world countries are TERRIBLE atmospheres, we need these guys to grow up. They are critical for our success in 2010 imo. Maybe this wasn't the best time to get some of them PT but they need to start growing up.

It's not FIFA 2008 on xbox, but it's common sense that young guys are critical to our future success. And having people like Eddie Lewis take up space for some of these other guys isn't helping. Also, to the poster talking about Pearce not being bad. He is absolutely terrible. He's played poorly in every friendly and WCQ we've had.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 8/21/08 at 4:29 pm to
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Also, to the poster talking about Pearce not being bad. He is absolutely terrible. He's played poorly in every friendly and WCQ we've had.




fricking thank you. he must be blackmailing bradley or something. i'm embarrassed that he's starting for us.
Posted by LSUButt
Lowcountry
Member since Jan 2006
15901 posts
Posted on 8/21/08 at 4:35 pm to


Yea, he's a joke...I just don't get it
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 8/21/08 at 4:36 pm to
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fricking thank you. he must be blackmailing bradley or something. i'm embarrassed that he's starting for us.


who do we play in his place? Johnathon Spector might be an option.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 8/21/08 at 4:46 pm to
Spector is a lot better than him, but he's hurt right?
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 8/21/08 at 4:56 pm to
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Spector is a lot better than him, but he's hurt right?


I can't find anything. I really think Orozco can play left back, and play it well. I think he was impressive in the Netherlands game, but what the hell do I know.
Posted by Sheep
Neither here nor there
Member since Jun 2007
19695 posts
Posted on 8/21/08 at 4:59 pm to
Spector is hurt (till early '09), and I think eventually will be more of a central defender.

Pearce hadn't been a superstar, but had played pretty well on that left side in the games prior. He's been there for most of the last year. You don't notice that he's doing a decent job until they throw Ramiro Corrales out there.

What are the other options at left back? Bornstein? Mike Randolph? That position is tough for almost every country.

I still think Eddie was our most reliable left sided option last night, without a fit Beasley. He's damn good on set pieces, and an adequate defender.

Again, what are the other options? Bobby Convey if it's 2005. You could have Mapp or Gaven sleep walking over there and playing ZERO defense. Robbie Rogers would have been a great option to sprint 40 yards and dribble the ball over the end line.

Freddy hasn't shown an ability to keep his cool, and not letting the hacking get into his head. He could stand to watch LD and Beasley in that regard. He would have been sent off or mind-fricked out of that game, so he wasn't really an option.

I thought the US did well, in a place we haven't won at in 20 years.
Posted by crazy4lsu
Member since May 2005
39298 posts
Posted on 8/21/08 at 5:02 pm to
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I still think Eddie was our most reliable left sided option last night, without a fit Beasley. He's damn good on set pieces, and an adequate defender.


Probably, but I still hope he is phased out as the WC gets closer.
Posted by hendersonshands
Univ. of Louisiana Ragin Cajuns
Member since Oct 2007
160203 posts
Posted on 8/21/08 at 5:05 pm to
Freddy seems to handle the hacking pretty well imo. And I don't know who's better than Pearce, but he has been bad in every game and I'd have to think he's not so far ahead of everyone else that he's a lock now. If he's a lock we're up a shite creek.
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