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re: Bracketology - UPDATED 3/15
Posted on 2/5/09 at 9:30 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
Posted on 2/5/09 at 9:30 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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I never look at this to do mine (that wouldn't be any fun), but here's how ESPN's bracketologist sees it. See whose you like better...
I never look at this to do mine (that wouldn't be any fun), but here's how ESPN's bracketologist sees it. See whose you like better...
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Posted on 2/5/09 at 9:34 pm to PiscesTiger
well his is always done based on if the brackets were picked today, so it's tough to compare
Posted on 2/5/09 at 9:35 pm to PiscesTiger
The only matchup we have in common is Tenn vs. Penn State.
Here's what I find wrong with his:
* Cornell is NOT a 13. Rarely do teams from the Ivy get higher than a 15 (even the ole Petey C-led Princeton teams were 15's and 16's). Also, their record is awful...not good enough for a 13.
* UCLA is going to be better than a 5
* Davidson a 9!? Forget last year. They are still a mid-major playing in a weak conference. 11 at best.
*Siena at 11? Too high! That's not gonna happen.
* The selection committtee isn't going to put in G'town as a 12. They either get a 10 or better or they just don't get in.
* UNLV likely doesn't get in without winning conference tourney and they will not be a 9 if they do.
I know his are more of NOW and not projected, but that's why his suck.
Here's what I find wrong with his:
* Cornell is NOT a 13. Rarely do teams from the Ivy get higher than a 15 (even the ole Petey C-led Princeton teams were 15's and 16's). Also, their record is awful...not good enough for a 13.
* UCLA is going to be better than a 5
* Davidson a 9!? Forget last year. They are still a mid-major playing in a weak conference. 11 at best.
*Siena at 11? Too high! That's not gonna happen.
* The selection committtee isn't going to put in G'town as a 12. They either get a 10 or better or they just don't get in.
* UNLV likely doesn't get in without winning conference tourney and they will not be a 9 if they do.
I know his are more of NOW and not projected, but that's why his suck.
This post was edited on 2/5/09 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 2/5/09 at 9:38 pm to rockchlkjayhku11
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well his is always done based on if the brackets were picked today, so it's tough to compare
yea, but I think he should change that and do his like mine. There's nothing difficult about picking based on today.
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:04 am to PiscesTiger
Did some major rearraging. Wish more people wanted to talk hoops.
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:10 am to PiscesTiger
Kentucky at number 6 is ridiculous, even before they lost yesterday.
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:13 am to LSUtoOmaha
PROJECTED...look it up if you don't know what it means.
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:13 am to PiscesTiger
No, I'm talking about ESPN's. Chill out buddy
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:15 am to LSUtoOmaha
FWIW, I think UK can still be a 6...they could win the SEC tourney and get it. I just don't know why they're losing with all that talent. NO excuse to lose so much in Rupp.
They could also continue to tailspin and miss the dance all together.
They could also continue to tailspin and miss the dance all together.
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:17 am to PiscesTiger
My good friend up here at school is a huge UK fan and I watch a lot of their games with him. It seems to me that their problem is just Meeks struggling to get open. Patterson continues to own the boards and score, and Liggins is improving.
ETA: I think they have alreay gotten into a tailspin.
ETA: I think they have alreay gotten into a tailspin.
This post was edited on 2/6/09 at 12:19 am
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:20 am to LSUtoOmaha
Unless they can win big games on the road, they're not going to get much better than an 8.
Gonzaga and Portland, who I just finished watching, would feast on the fundamentally unsound Wildcats. UK is a year away if they can keep PP and Meeks together.
Looks like the SEC east isn't THAT much better than the west.
Gonzaga and Portland, who I just finished watching, would feast on the fundamentally unsound Wildcats. UK is a year away if they can keep PP and Meeks together.
Looks like the SEC east isn't THAT much better than the west.
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:25 am to PiscesTiger
You think both Patterson and Meeks come back? I'm not so sure, especially if UK's season ends like it is going now.
I've got a question for you. How good is Butler, I haven't really seen them play much. I know they recently beat Xavier and Ohio St. a while back, but I could easily see a team like Green Bay winning the Horizon, especially considering they just beat Butler.
I've got a question for you. How good is Butler, I haven't really seen them play much. I know they recently beat Xavier and Ohio St. a while back, but I could easily see a team like Green Bay winning the Horizon, especially considering they just beat Butler.
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:27 am to PiscesTiger
And you project the SEC getting 5 teams, but all of the non-conference games are over. So are you implying that the top half or so of the conference will just obliterate the bottom half and pad their records enough to where they can't be denied, with 20+ overall wins and 10 in the SEC?
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:34 am to LSUtoOmaha
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You think both Patterson and Meeks come back?
50/50 that one of them comes back (more likley Meeks)
20/80 that both do.
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How good is Butler, I haven't really seen them play much. I know they recently beat Xavier and Ohio St. a while back, but I could easily see a team like Green Bay winning the Horizon, especially considering they just beat Butler
From what I have watched, very solid team. They do all of the fundamentals well...esp rebounding and setting solid picks. I think they have a great front court and some hybrid players...a few guys that can play inside and outside. UWGB upset them, but the Phoenix are an impressive club. They have two very good guards - only watched them once on 360.com when they played Cleveland State a couple weeks ago. They MUST win their tourney to get in though.
Butler might have been pushed back to a 6 after last night and a 7 or 8 if they lose anymore. They are still THAT team that you don't want your team playing. I pray that LSU isn't in their bracket.
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:41 am to PiscesTiger
Thanks for your insight. Regardless, they only have 2 losses and wins over two very quality OOC components. All Butler needs is to get in; seeding for them is more irrelevant than for any other team imo.
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:47 am to LSUtoOmaha
To answer your SEC question...I look at it like this:
LSU will win the west and win 24 reg season games. LOCK.
I project UF to go 25-6 and win the east.
UK, I project, will go 21-10 and win 1-2 in the SEC.
I have SC going 22-7. They should also win one in the tourney...maybe 2.
I project UT to be 20-10...they will need just one win in Tampa and they're a lock
Bubble spells trouble for:
Miss State will be 20-10, IMO. The only quality win they pick up is @ UK. Decent wins over Houston and WKU are about it OOC. Overall, just don't think they're gonna do enough. If they somehow finish 2 games over my projection and beat a team like TN or SC in the SEC tourney (they'll likely draw one of the two after the bye), then they could get in. They're just a couple of very close games from not having to worry...but those are the games you gotta win. The Ole Miss loss hurt and the UK win was uplifting. If they had just beaten Ole Miss and maybe won that OT game vs. San Diego, 17-5 and 6-1 would be tough to turn down.
Every other team must win the SEC tourney in Tampa.
LSU will win the west and win 24 reg season games. LOCK.
I project UF to go 25-6 and win the east.
UK, I project, will go 21-10 and win 1-2 in the SEC.
I have SC going 22-7. They should also win one in the tourney...maybe 2.
I project UT to be 20-10...they will need just one win in Tampa and they're a lock
Bubble spells trouble for:
Miss State will be 20-10, IMO. The only quality win they pick up is @ UK. Decent wins over Houston and WKU are about it OOC. Overall, just don't think they're gonna do enough. If they somehow finish 2 games over my projection and beat a team like TN or SC in the SEC tourney (they'll likely draw one of the two after the bye), then they could get in. They're just a couple of very close games from not having to worry...but those are the games you gotta win. The Ole Miss loss hurt and the UK win was uplifting. If they had just beaten Ole Miss and maybe won that OT game vs. San Diego, 17-5 and 6-1 would be tough to turn down.
Every other team must win the SEC tourney in Tampa.
This post was edited on 2/6/09 at 12:50 am
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:49 am to LSUtoOmaha
I agree completely about the irrelevance of seeding for a team like them. The same could be said for Davidson and Gonzaga...just teams you don't wanna play.
If my bracket was the real deal, what do you think of LSU's chances?
If my bracket was the real deal, what do you think of LSU's chances?
Posted on 2/6/09 at 12:57 am to PiscesTiger
I think a 30% chance of getting to the sweet 16. The thing going for us playing against Providence and Michigan St. is their big men aren't all that effective.
Posted on 2/6/09 at 1:09 am to LSUtoOmaha
Yeah, I didn't purposely give LSU that region...just happened, but I think we'd matchup well with Providence. They're an offensive team...like to shoot it from downtown. I think our D would matchup well with them, as they are a 3 guard offense. They do go deep off the bench, but so do all Big East teams. I saw them beat Syracuse and Cincy and they looked pretty athletic. Their big men are solid, too.
Mich State doesn't scare me a whole lot. Suton is about 6'10, 250...he'd gives us some trouble. We'd have to put Temple on their pg, Lucas...which would be advantage LSU. Could Taz hold Raymar Morgan in check is the question....very similar players. We could hang with the Spartans. They're 18-4, too (better wins) and they are quite human as Penn State exposed them pretty badly on Tuesday.
If that was the REAL region, I'd like our chances.
Mich State doesn't scare me a whole lot. Suton is about 6'10, 250...he'd gives us some trouble. We'd have to put Temple on their pg, Lucas...which would be advantage LSU. Could Taz hold Raymar Morgan in check is the question....very similar players. We could hang with the Spartans. They're 18-4, too (better wins) and they are quite human as Penn State exposed them pretty badly on Tuesday.
If that was the REAL region, I'd like our chances.
This post was edited on 2/6/09 at 1:10 am
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