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re: Bracketology - UPDATED 3/15

Posted on 2/25/09 at 7:19 pm to
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
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Posted on 2/25/09 at 7:19 pm to
Kentucky...I am THIS close to throwing them out. What happens if UK and UT both tank? 3 teams from the SEC? Miss State may not be out, after all, if they can win tonight vs. UT.

I have UNLV back in. New Mexico is now my pick to get the auto bid out of MWC.

VT MUST win tonight or it's over for them.

Maryland can get further off the bubble and perhaps earn their bid tonight with a win over Duke.

Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
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Posted on 2/25/09 at 7:29 pm to
loving the jayhawks as a 2 seed! although pretty unlikely, if kansas wins out (including the big 12 tourney) i think they can get a one seed. that would include a win over oklahoma with blake griffin in the big 12 championship. that would be just incredible.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
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Posted on 2/25/09 at 7:33 pm to
KU and Mizzou are two of the hottest teams in the country.
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
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Posted on 2/25/09 at 7:41 pm to
too bad missouri is gonna have to absorb a loss at kansas on sunday. there is NO chance that mizzou wins that game.
This post was edited on 2/25/09 at 8:11 pm
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
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Posted on 2/25/09 at 7:47 pm to
Why so much hatred between those two? I get it...but it'd be like Auburn hating UGA more than Alabama. Why doesn't Kansas hate KSU more? Or...maybe it's like Michigan hating OSU more than they hate MSU....

Posted by BraveTiger225
Atlanta, GA
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Posted on 2/25/09 at 8:05 pm to
UK is definitely on the brink. I am updating mine again after tomorrow (when the majority of the action will be done), but USC is a good team, I don't care what any numbers say. They should be wearing home whites in the first round.
Posted by rockchlkjayhku11
Cincinnati, OH
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 2/25/09 at 8:13 pm to
goes all the way back to the civil war dude. when they call it the border war, that stems from actual civil war battles and fights between the two states around the border. rivalry has progressed ever since and also mizzou is much better than k state. kansas has beaten k state like 38 of the last 40 or something like that (not exact, but very close). mizzou can actually put up a fight.
Posted by BraveTiger225
Atlanta, GA
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 2/25/09 at 8:37 pm to
Dayton falls in overtime to Rhode Island. That's a blow for them and the Atlantic 10. Suddenly two bids doesn't seem quite so certain. I had the Flyers as a 9, and a loss to URI isn't quite bad enough to knock them out of the field. Maybe down a line, though.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
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Posted on 2/25/09 at 8:46 pm to
I think they're ok, but that was unexpected for sure. I might move them to a 10 or 11.
Posted by BraveTiger225
Atlanta, GA
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Posted on 2/25/09 at 8:53 pm to
And suddenly Virginia Tech decides they want back in the club...Damn Clemson is worthless.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 2/25/09 at 9:58 pm to
WOW I know! Grrrr....bracketology getting tougher
Posted by BraveTiger225
Atlanta, GA
Member since May 2008
17662 posts
Posted on 2/26/09 at 2:54 am to
Super bumped for Pisces:

Wednesday hoops recap and Thursday preview

CONGRATS
Go out to American University for clinching their second straight Patriot League championship with a win over Navy. They will now be the top seed in the league tournament and host a quarterfinal game next Wednesday night.

NOTRE DAME
Stayed in the hunt with a narrow win over Rutgers. No progress made here except for the fact that they didn't lose at home to a team with just one conference win this year (over the team that has none - DePaul). By the way, did I mention they were down eight at halftime? Far from convincing. Saturday at UConn will be the true test for the Irish.

DAYTON
The Flyers seemed to be a lock, and may still be, but a loss in overtime at Rhode Island does hurt them a bit. Meanwhile, URI is working their way onto the bubble. They are now 10-4 in the Atlantic 10, a half-game behind Xavier for the league lead. At 21-8, the Rams could be in the hunt if they can get hot.

MARQUETTE
Lost a tough one at home against UConn, and lost Dominic James for the season. It's going to hurt the Golden Eagles, but no one is sure how much it will hurt yet. Buzz Williams still has a lot of talent to work with. Let's wait until Sunday at Louisville to pass judgment (aka drop seeding).

KENTUCKY
Yuck. Got it handed to them by USC, and this could put them on the last five list before long. I know Pisces has had doubts about them before, and they could be getting nearer their end. 19-9, 8-5 and with losses to VMI and Miami (a fellow bubble team) could prove costly.

VIRGINIA TECH
Much like Kotter, they're back. They had finally worked their way out of everyone's projections, but a win at Clemson puts them back in the field. While we're at it, Clemson sucks. But everyone at TD already knew that.

VILLAOVA
Umm...what exactly were you doing nearly losing to DePaul? Might wanna wake up if you wanna get up to a 3 seed. Your tough stretch starts. Last three: vs. Georgetown, at Notre Dame, vs. Providence. All winnable, all losable. Good luck.

LOUISIANA TEAMS IN THE SOUTHLAND
Got stomped with the exception of Nicholls, which won late at Central Arkansas. I want to see the Colonels in badly. But Southeastern, Northwestern and McNeese are all out of the conference tournament if the season ended today. Wake up.

MARYLAND
Tough call after the loss to Duke, but I don't think we can drop them out quite yet. If they slip at NC State on Sunday, they are right back on the other side of the bubble. Vasquez getting in bad foul trouble did his team no favors against Duke.

UNLV
Officially gone bye-bye after dropping to 8-6 in the Mountain West with a loss at Utah. Utah is gone, but UNLV is losing far too many games to get them consideration for an at-large. New Mexico is the next best contender in that league now.

OKLAHOMA STATE
Got back over .500 in the Big 12 and has chances for quality wins in their last three games: vs. Texas, vs. Kansas State (O, BTW, KSU - GTFO...for you abbreviation whores...after they got trashed by Mizzou) and at Oklahoma to end the season.

WHAT TO WATCH ON THURSDAY
La Salle at Temple - The Owls are on the bubble and can't afford to drop this Big 5 showdown at home.

Minnesota at Illinois - The Gophers need this to keep up with the pace on the Big Ten bubble.

West Virginia at Cincinnati - The 'Neers are a lock, but the Bearcats are still hungry for a berth. One of their last two chances for a quality win (at Syracuse on Saturday).

Miami at Virginia - Bubble teams (Virginia Tech) can go to UVA to die, and Miami will be desperate to not be another victim.

Memphis at UAB - One of the big ones on Thursday. Memphis is fighting for a number 1 seed and UAB is firmly on the bubble, and a win likely tips them to the good side.

Purdue at Michigan - Michigan could replace Minnesota or Penn State in the field before it's all said and done. Doesn't get easier for them, though. They end with two on the road against Wisconsin and...Minnesota.

Arizona State at Washington - The game of the night with all kinds of Pac-10 title implications.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 2/26/09 at 3:01 am to
Your a swell guy, Brave.

I'm updating a bit more, so check out the brackets. I'm taking Maryland back out and going to put the RIU Rams IN. I don't think Xavier is that hungry anymore. I do think Dayton did just enough to get in. RIU is playing great ball right now though.

I'm one of those bracketologists that assumes that some auto bids will frick it up for the Miamis and UNLVs and Penn States of the world...maybe the teams will be different, but it will happen just the same. Rhode Island or Niagara or New Mexico...if they don't do it, someone else will. Hell, just imagine if we have a version of '08 Georgia this year.
Posted by BraveTiger225
Atlanta, GA
Member since May 2008
17662 posts
Posted on 2/26/09 at 3:03 am to
What benefits Miami/Penn State/etc this year, though, is the lack of multi-bid mid-major conferences. Or at least potential ones. The only mid-majors that are locks as at-larges are Butler. I used the plural form of the verb anticipating others, but they aren't there. Maybe Gonzaga, but St. Mary's could have a case themselves.

Siena, maybe, but if they even lose the tourney championship game, that could cost them.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 2/26/09 at 3:08 am to
Yeah, I don't think there's room for teams like Siena and even Green Bay if they don't win the auto bid. There are teams like Temple, Northern Iowa, and UNLV who are in much stronger mid-major/major conferences who would get a bid before Siena. Siena has an impressive body of work, but would they be taken in ahead of a team like Temple? I doubt it.
Posted by LSUtoOmaha
Nashville
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 2/26/09 at 3:16 am to
IMO Kentucky has to beat LSU or they are done.
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 2/26/09 at 3:21 am to
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NOTRE DAME
Stayed in the hunt with a narrow win over Rutgers. No progress made here except for the fact that they didn't lose at home to a team with just one conference win this year (over the team that has none - DePaul). By the way, did I mention they were down eight at halftime? Far from convincing. Saturday at UConn will be the true test for the Irish.



They don't win Saturday and they can forget about it...unless of course they win the tourney. I think this is your NIT Final 4 #1. Is it me or do they seem much more alive than Georgetown does all of a sudden?


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DAYTON
The Flyers seemed to be a lock, and may still be, but a loss in overtime at Rhode Island does hurt them a bit. Meanwhile, URI is working their way onto the bubble. They are now 10-4 in the Atlantic 10, a half-game behind Xavier for the league lead. At 21-8, the Rams could be in the hunt if they can get hot.


The fact that this loss was on the road to a 20 win team from a decent confernece won't knock them out; merely it moves them down from an 8-9 to a 10-11. Another loss to a team like Duquesne at the season's end would hurt worse. Meanwhile, Dayton has two CRUCIAL games coming up which could make or break tme. They play Temple at home and then at Xavier. Dayton needs 2/3 and they're okay and they can get it in any form. The Temple game might be the biggest as it could either put Dayton back in 2nd or isolate them in 4th. I'm personally rooting for them. I like them as a tourney team. They go about 9 deep and can play awesome defense. They've lost two in a row. They lose their next two and they gotta win the a-10. They should beat Temple. A win at Xavier? Huge...kinda makes LSU's game with UX even more meaningless, eh?

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MARQUETTE
Lost a tough one at home against UConn, and lost Dominic James for the season. It's going to hurt the Golden Eagles, but no one is sure how much it will hurt yet. Buzz Williams still has a lot of talent to work with. Let's wait until Sunday at Louisville to pass judgment (aka drop seeding).


I'm not about to drop them, but it doesn't look good. Part of me sees 6 seed. Part of me sees gutsy team that beats Louisville. I'll make that decision Sunday. It doesn't look good. I've thought for a month now that they're the 5th best team in that league.

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OKLAHOMA STATE
Got back over .500 in the Big 12 and has chances for quality wins in their last three games: vs. Texas, vs. Kansas State (O, BTW, KSU - GTFO...for you abbreviation whores...after they got trashed by Mizzou) and at Oklahoma to end the season.



Big time fly under the radar team. Typical OSU, though. You'd think Sean Sutton was still there, like when they used to start out 17-0 and end the season at 20-11. Here's my final answer on them. Win 2/3 and win 2 games in the Big XII Tourney, which should ultimately give the Cowboys 3 more QW's. Then, 11-12 seed it is...and that spells trouble for 5's and 6's of all regions.

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Minnesota at Illinois - The Gophers need this to keep up with the pace on the Big Ten bubble.


I'm not sure who needs this more...of course Min does, but if Illini lose, they probably flirt with double-digit seed.


This post was edited on 2/26/09 at 3:27 am
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 2/26/09 at 3:25 am to
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IMO Kentucky has to beat LSU or they are done.


Agreed and tonight didn't help them with the Vols beating a team that beat UK. If UK loses to LSU, they're going to have to win the SEC tourney...maybe just get to the finals. Billy G and Bruce P have done two of the worst coaching jobs in the country with the talent they have. UK and UT both deserve to go to the NIT. UT, though, did what they had to do by scheduling Hell. If UK doesn't make it, they'll join Notre Dame, Temple, and Maryland in Madison Square Garden come late March.
This post was edited on 2/26/09 at 3:31 am
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 2/26/09 at 3:34 am to
Part of me thinks Auburn, if they win out and get into the finals of SEC, can sneak in. Longshot.
This post was edited on 2/26/09 at 3:46 am
Posted by PiscesTiger
Concrete, WA
Member since Feb 2004
53696 posts
Posted on 2/26/09 at 3:45 am to
Updated Sweet 16:

EAST

1 North Carolina vs 4 Purdue
2 Memphis vs 3 Villanova

SOUTH

1 Pitt vs 5 Arizona State
7 Utah vs 3 Missouri

MIDWEST

1 U Conn vs 4 LSU
2 Louisville vs 3 Wake Forest

WEST

8 Utah State vs 5 Washington
2 Kansas vs 3 Duke
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