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re: Big stink over Redksins, they why are Edmonton Eskimos OK?
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:08 am to SportsGuyNOLA
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:08 am to SportsGuyNOLA
I lived in Anchorage.
Eskimos is considered offensive...nobody says Eskimo except for new Lower 48 transplants who don't know any better.
Everyone says "Native" or Alaskan Native. The Natives say Native.
"Eskimos" (Native Alaskans) get zero coverage in the Lower 48 so everyone is ignorant...and the some of the racism in Alaska regarding them is shocking...and would get huge coverage in the Lower 48 if it were another racial group - but it gets little news coverage because Natives are the tiniest of tiny minorities.
Eskimos is considered offensive...nobody says Eskimo except for new Lower 48 transplants who don't know any better.
Everyone says "Native" or Alaskan Native. The Natives say Native.
"Eskimos" (Native Alaskans) get zero coverage in the Lower 48 so everyone is ignorant...and the some of the racism in Alaska regarding them is shocking...and would get huge coverage in the Lower 48 if it were another racial group - but it gets little news coverage because Natives are the tiniest of tiny minorities.
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Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:10 am to jcole4lsu
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The logical conclusion, in my mind, is that native americans are much less worried about that term than white folks are. in fact, at least a reasonable sized contingent of them see it as a term to take pride in.
I think it is definitely overblown.
A recent study on it found otherwise though:
LINK
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The Center for Indigenous Peoples Studies at California State University, San Bernardino has conducted
a study on racial and ethnic perspectives on the team name Redskins and associated issues, and found
that the large majority of American Indians, when properly identified and polled, find the team name
offensive, disrespectful and racist.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:12 am to TigerBait1127
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A recent study on it found otherwise though:
if you used google to find that study you had to omit several entries of studies that found the exact opposite. this is not an issue that a single poll will give you an accurate representation.
apparently a lot of it has to do with where the tribe is from
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:15 am to jcole4lsu
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if you used google to find that study you had to omit several entries of studies that found the exact opposite.
Right, but those studies came under criticism because they did not verify that the people surveyed were actually native americans.
This is the study that the Redskins organization refereed to along with CBS and other sports stations:
LINK
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apparently a lot of it has to do with where the tribe is from
Didn't you just try to argue against that point?
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 11:18 am
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:24 am to TigerBait1127
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Right, but those studies came under criticism because they did not verify that the people surveyed were actually native americans.
there are multiple polls with multiple results. its also not surprising that a group with an opposing view would attack the methodology when they dont like the results.
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Didn't you just try to argue against that point?
not at all. i compared native americans to other minorities that are from different places and have different views - you dont think all hispanics are the same do you? turns out not everything south of texas and north of brazil is called "mexico". shocking, i know.
regardless of their differences though, blacks and Hispanics basically universally view certain terms as racist and should only be used (if ever) by friends. certainly never in a official or semi official environment.
the same cannot be said about Redskins. it simply cant, no matter how much some white folks want it to be.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:32 am to jcole4lsu
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there are multiple polls with multiple results.
Link them
Also, the study the Redskins poll claimed that it did not vary based on tribe.
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its also not surprising that a group with an opposing view would attack the methodology when they dont like the results.
The organization who ran the survey said it isn't an accurate portrayal.
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regardless of their differences though, blacks and Hispanics basically universally view certain terms as racist and should only be used (if ever) by friends. certainly never in a official or semi official environment.
the same cannot be said about Redskins. it simply cant, no matter how much some white folks want it to be.
So it isn't a racial slur if the entire population doesn't agree with it?
I've already said I don't think that the Redskins should change the name. That doesn't mean it doesn't have a history as a racial slur. Context is important.
This post was edited on 7/25/14 at 11:43 am
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:35 am to TigerBait1127
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TigerBait1127
pathetic enabler
Posted on 7/25/14 at 11:36 am to The_Hornet
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pathetic enabler
Good response.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:05 pm to TigerBait1127
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The organization who ran the survey said it isn't an accurate portrayal.
when?
as of last year they were still touting the results
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So it isn't a racial slur if the entire population doesn't agree with it?
how can it be a racial slur if the community "affected" by it cant agree that it is? not only that, we arent talking about being ambivalent to the term - but some reasonably large percentage of the population literally taking pride in the term.
Posted on 7/25/14 at 12:10 pm to JEAUXBLEAUX
Hey Jeaux, Eskimo is an outdated name, it means 'meat eater' or something similar, and in Canada they prefer Inuit now, it was never considered especially perjorative but they constantly refer to 1st nations people that live in the far north as Inuit now... 
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:00 am to LSUCanFAN
That is why I thought people would want the Edmonton to do any with it.
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:03 am to Kafka
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I am offended by the term Native American
I demand people stop using it
Seriously.
I am offended every time I hear American Indians being referred to as "Native Americans".
It is incorrect, and offensive to EVERY person born on this continent.
This post was edited on 7/29/14 at 9:05 am
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:47 am to JEAUXBLEAUX
People sometimes give me grief over slavery (being from La.) but if you want to get on a Canadians nerves ask em' about the residential schools for 1st nations kids were like thousands were tortured to make them more European and the missing hundreds of little kids...Eskimos is the least of their shameful past...here in Nova Scotia the former Gov. had a bounty on every 1st nations man woman or child...
Posted on 7/29/14 at 9:53 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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Because Redskins is a racial slur and Eskimos is not.
THIS
Posted on 7/29/14 at 11:34 am to molsusports
Honestly I think it has more to do with the logos than anything.The Eskimos have two E's, lot different than the Redskins.
Canadians seem to get far less bent out of shape over these things than Americans do.
Canadians seem to get far less bent out of shape over these things than Americans do.
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