re: big 12 or sec, which is better football conference?

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First. This is the best Bama has been since the early 90's. before then they were barely getting bowl eligible

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They had a minor dropoff after Bear, under Ray Perkins. They were still competitive. Once Bill Curry was canned and Bebes was hired, they became the best team in football over two-three years.

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Ole Miss

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Has only been REALLY bad over the last 4 years and they're coming back. From 1990-2003, they had just two losing seasons. They have always been competitive; just haven't been in a position to beat the more dominant programs out. See Texas Tech in the Big XII.

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That leaves Fla, Georgia, Tenn, LSU and Aub. Of the 5 only Fla, LSU,and Aub have made a legitimate NC run. So the idea that this is a down year for the SEC is a little overblown. If anything the lesser teams have gotten a little better.

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FLA has won to NC's in two decades. Georgia nearly had title shots in '02 and last year, had luck been slightly different. UGA was better last year, IMHO. Florida was better in '06 and looks to be about the same as last year's 4 loss team, but we'll see what they do from this point on. This is Auburn's worst team since 1999. This is LSU's call this week to see how good they truly are...as of now, we're down from last year and '06.

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If anything the lesser teams have gotten a little better.

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Welcome to the SEC...where everyone is a bitch to play, week in and week out. There are no Baylors and Iowa States.

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The big 12 was better in the early 2000's, when Neb and CU were powers. A&M was still good, and the other teams were about the same outside of Kansas.

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I'd say that in 2000-2001, this was true, but afterwards, it's been all SEC. Nebraska, Colorado, A&M have dropped big time. Mizzou, Kansas, and TTU have elevated, but still haven't accomplished anything within the BCS, with the exception of Kansas's lone win last year. K State seems to have taken a hit and no longer remains that strong, silent team thet they were from '97-'03. Texas and OU are what they are and they'll always be that due to recruiting. Meanwhile, Iowa State and Baylor are terrible and will never win anything noteworthy. Iowa State had a peak of a lifetime and all it did was take them to Shreveport to play Miami, OH.

CU had one great team in 2001...2 loss team that won the Big XII. Their only other appearance in a Big XII title game, to my knowlege since 2001, was a 70 point shallacking to UT.

To be a power, you have to be consistent. CU was a power from '88-'95. They haven't been since the 1990's. One good year doesn't make you a power.

CU went to the Big 12 title game in 2002, 2004, and 2005.

Here's how they finished from 2000-2005:

2000: 3-8
2001: 10-3(Big 12 champ)
2002: 9-5
2003: 5-7
2004: 8-5(Big 12 runner up)
2005: 7-5(Big 12 runner up)

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2003: 5-7
2004: 8-5(Big 12 runner up)
2005: 7-5(Big 12 runner up)

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That tells you how bad the Big 12 North was/is. They lost 17 games in a 3 year span and was the conference runner up twice in that period.

The big 12 north was down, that is true. There was a time when CU, Neb, Kansas State were all solid football teams. Neb won 10 games as recently as 2004. Then came the Callahan years. Almost all football teams have bad years, or even bad stretches. Take Bama for instance...... They went 6-6 the last 2 years, with one of those being a loss to Louisiana- Monroe.


The SEC got it's name because Ohio State can't seem to field a team against them. That has nothing to do with anyone else. The SEC is 9-9 vs the big10 over the last 5 years in bowl games, and 18-16 vs the big12 over the last 10. Last year Michigan, the same team that lost to 1aa App State, hung 41 points on Florida after turning it over 5 times. Oklahoma and LSU played a nice solid 21-14 game in 03. LSU got beat by Texas 35-20 in 02. This "SEC is leaps and bounds better" is a mythical belief made reality by Ohio State's inability to play in big games. Everyone else out there gives the SEC teams a good game, if not beats them.

SEC!!!!!

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The big 12 north was down, that is true. There was a time when CU, Neb, Kansas State were all solid football teams. Neb won 10 games as recently as 2004. Then came the Callahan years.

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When was the Big 12 North up?
First of all if you consider what CU did against that teams they were playing up, that's not saying much.

Nebraska won 10 games in 2003, and they fired their coach, because with who they play should have won more games against those teams. '02 Nebraska lost 7 games, Callahan was horrible, but he won the divison with 4 losses.

Missouri until last year they lost atleast 5 games every year since 2000.

Iowa State-has lost 5 games every year since 2001, plus 9 & 10 lost seasons.

Kansas- went 12-1 last year and Mangigo was only 1 game above .500 coming into this season. He still has only won 40% of Big 12 games.

Kansas State- who plays no OOC teams has lost 6 games or more 5 times since 2001. And they won the Big 12 with a 4 loss season in '03.

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The SEC is full of tradition, and a lot of household names, but we all know MNCs are largely popularity contests. USC shouldn't have gotten a share of the trophy in 2003 for beating a 3 loss Michigan team in the RB. Why??.....popularity contest. Just the same as them getting beat by a mediocre team in Oreg St, that Penn State slaughtered! Yet USC is ranked number 5.


The SEC has it's bad teams year to year just like other conferences. They may not be the same teams consistently but a 2 or 4 win team is a 2 or 4 win team. SEC teams rarely travel too far to play anyone out of conference either. I can't remember the last time I saw a SEC team in the big house?

We all know the SEC is a good conference, but this stuff of other conferences not being able to match up it a farce in my eyes. We see it happen every year during bowl season, or out of conference games. Georgia played WVU and they lost. OU played WVU and they lost. USC came down and beat up Auburn, and Arkansas pretty bad. The list goes on and on. As mediocre as Mizzou's D is, they kicked the crap out of Ark and Ole Miss last year. If you are not used to handling a wide open spread a lot of teams would get beat. Football is different these days. There are a lot more teams with talent. Even Kansas and Kansas state are sending guys to the NFL. Things have changed.

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The SEC has it's bad teams year to year just like other conferences. They may not be the same teams consistently but a 2 or 4 win team is a 2 or 4 win team. SEC teams rarely travel too far to play anyone out of conference either. I can't remember the last time I saw a SEC team in the big house?

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Tennessee has gone to UCLA twice in the last twelve seasons; Miss State has gone to Oregon; Auburn has gone to SC and now to WVU; LSU has gobe to Arizona and Arizona State and VA Tech; Georgia just went out to ASU; Ole Miss goes everywhere it seems; blah blah...the point here, however, is when 75 percent of yoru conference has stadiums that are far beyond the norm's capacity, you don't have to go anywhere OOC. People will come to you. These are just the laws that dictate economics in football. The GATE is what it's all about. Who's going to reap more benefits? LA Tech coming and getting a percentage of 92,800 folks or LSU going to LA Tech and both teams sharing 30K?

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I can't remember the last time I saw a SEC team in the big house?

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Why it just so happens that Vanderbilt went up there in '06. Why does an SEC team have to go to the "Big and Dull House"? Why can't Michigan come to us? See my answer of the lsaw of football economics above.


The bottom line is that no elite team but for Ohio State and USC are going to go anywhere OOC and risk losing a shot at a NC. Ohio State feels it has something to prove and get over its inferiority complex of getting embarrassed by UF and LSU. USC does whatever it can to avoid 2003 all over again, because it's ineveitable that it happens again. If you're in a major conference like the SEC and even the Big XII, why go play one of the 4 OOC games elsewhere, when you can get a nice, fat payday check from playing in your own backyard?