re: Big 10 Commish - 2011 Bama wouldn't make playoff

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Like i said, in 99, we beat florida in thier backyard. we didnt bitch about playing them again. we just went and beat their arse.

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Oh, you guys played Florida in the BCSNCG?

Wait, no you didn't.

You played them again in the SECCG. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT.

We did the same thing to UGA in 2003. NO LSU fan had any bitterness about having to play UGA again in Atlanta in 2003. COMPLETELY DIFFERENT SITUATION.

But you knew this.

Hell, I remember talking with UGA fans after the game in BR saying "we will see you again in Atlanta". That's to be expected.

You know, since they play in a different division and all....

You people are amazing. You really are.

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The division winner thing is stupid. Either stick with conference winners or don't. Silly to say LSU and Bama can't both be in, but Florida after losing to Bama in the SEC CG can still be in.

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Why not? If say one division winner was undefeated and the other was 8-3 and the undefeated team loses...the loser is now 11-1 with a resume that includes playing the extra game and a top opponent. They would be a potential wild card.

But someone who doesn't even win their division - doesn't have to play an extra game, doesn't have to impress for another week on the field, doesn't have to do jack shite...wow, lets reward that team.

There's a big difference between losing in the Conf. title game and not getting there and having to play that game...big difference and the former should be rewarded while the latter should be shite upon.

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Well now I know you gone full tard. Thanks for the heads up. Most of us are talking about the future of CFB - you're stuck in the past tense.

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Like Balloo stated, the Bama fans here are still trying to justify their Mulligan, while CFB fans are discussing how to avoid a Mulligan type situation again.

Had LSU lost to Bama in "the game of the century", as an LSU fan, despite our "historical" schedule last year, I too would have stated we didn't belong in NOLA on Jan 9th bc we didn't win the conference.

Simple as that. I'm a fan of the sport overall, however, I've learned the past decade that CFB isn't about accomplishment anymore. That needs to change.

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Well now I know you gone full tard. Thanks for the heads up.

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Ive gone full retard for pointing out that its stupid to reward a team for winning a subpar conference rather than give a better team a shot? Okay.
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Most of us are talking about the future of CFB - you're stuck in the past tense.

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No, Im not. You just cant see it b/c your logic has thus far made very little sense. You want conference only champions? Say goodbye to marquis matchups. In conference only champs scenarios, it gives a team NO ADVANTAGE to play good teams from other parts of the country. You just risk getting players hurt. You want a future where you dont see great cross country regular season games?


No, you just want to pretend that winning shitty conferences mean something.

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Yes. I don't think it, I know it. We saw what happened with the implementation of the BCS -- teams played easier OOC schedules. It's not speculation. The BCS incented teams to play a weak, but not too weak, OOC schedule. If only conference champions made it, then there would no longer be this disincentive to play tough OOC games.

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Why, genius, would i schedule a tough out of conference game if it did not help win my conference or get to a playoff?

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Look at CBB -- great teams play all of the time in the regular season because there is no penalty for losing.

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Oh, so the risk of injury is the same in BB as it is in footbnall?

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If teams can lose OOC and still play for the national and conference titles, there is no longer the heavy disincentive to playing a good schedule.

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Yes there is. Its called injuries. They happen more when you play good, well conditioned teams. they also nick you up going into tough conference games.

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In fact, there will be an incentive to play a tough OOC game before the conference slate starts to get game-ready.

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You really think (had Petrino stayed at arky) that bama would want a tough game right before that one? REALLY? You cant be this naive. you just, cant.

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People will do what they are incentented to do.

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And there is NO INCENTIVE to play a tough out of conference game if they dont help you. NONE.

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Also, you dodged the question. According to your argument, every other conference "sucks". So why even include them in a postseason model at all?

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Im not including them. Im saying take the four best teams.

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Since your stance is "all other conferences suck", then yes, I can see why you'd want a rematch of two SEC teams. How will you sell that to the other 106 teams in Division 1?

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I wont. I would sell them on the four best teams regardless of conference affiliation.

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btw, the bold, its whats been done the last six years

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Technically what you boldest is not correct with your statement.

The SEC winner last year was LSU and they were not MNC like you insinuated.

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First, no one has said "you can never have a rematch". In fact, under the system most of us have agreed is the best suggestion, it's entirely possible Oregon and LSU could have played a rematch. So take your red herring and shove it in your ear. No one has said, "it's a rematch so it isn't valid." Hell, even under the Delaney system, LSU-Bama could've had a rematch last year.

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First, learn the proper use of redherring (as well as "incentive") and shove it. The entire scenario unfolded because there was a re-match, and the guy i responded to, was bitching about a REAMATCH. Want his quote?

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Blame them for what, splitting the season 1-1 with your entitled program? You know, that dumbass Miles and sorry arse Jefferson did beat you in your backyard.

It wasn't Miles and Jefferson that needed a Mulligan to make up for that loss. That was your team.

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My response about the SEC title game was to HIM over THAT QUOTE.

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The argument is, which you've studiously ignored, Alabama did nothing to objectively EARN a rematch.

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They waxed 11 opponents on their schedule. They didnt lose to a shitastic team. To say another team earned a spot "objectively" by playing in a worse conference, is nonsense.

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We just don't want to take a team that clearly is NOT the best team in the country, as evidenced by finishing behind another team in their conference they lost to at home, getting a title shot in a one-game playoff. that's patently absurd.

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Patently absurd? The BCS calls for the best team to play the second best team, as determined by criteria set forth BEFORE the damn season began. To say that the team selected by the agreed upon criteria should not play just because you dont like it, is itself, patently absurd.

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Win your conference. But if there aren't enough quality conference champs, then open up the model to an at large team.

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Take the best four teams. If your not good enough to be among the best for, then realize that winning your conference wasnt that big a damn deal.

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At least in this scenario, Bama would have had to BEAT a team to get its title shot

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We beat 11 teams. badly. Thats what got us our title shot.

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I'm still not thrilled with that, but I'm willing to concede it in the name of compromise.

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frick compromise. I wont comprise to a system that rewards inferior teams just because they won an inferior conference.

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What did Bama do last year to merit a title shot?

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Beat the dogshit out of everyone we played. also, not lose to an unranked team.

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They had three wins over top 25 teams all year, lost their conference, and lost at home. Yes, Okie St lost, but they also had more quality wins and a conference title.

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Bama would have won their damn conference, so that title means shite. Blowing a game to a shitty team cost them the title.

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They also lost on the road in OT on a disputed call.

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To a team bama would have waxed by three touchdowns or more.

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Focusing on losses detracts us from what matters -- what did you accomplish?

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Uh, not losing to a shitty team should be a MINMUM fricking accomplishment.

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I'm even perfectly willing to accept a model in which Bama wins the title last season, as they would in the Delaney model. So it's clearly NOT about Bama, as I've embraced a system in which Bama still could win the title last year.

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Rewarding inferior teams is not going to help college football.

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I just want to put value back on conference titles and restore good OOC games in the regular season, which have almost disappeared.

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Dude, read the post above. THERE is ZERO incentive to play tough OOC games if conference games are all that matter. Why would you want to add more wear and tear to your team, risk injuries, and drag them all over the country, if it doesnt help you? You realize, playing a football game is a hell of alot different than playing basketball, right?

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Are you really this stupid or just pretending? Teams used to schedule these games all of the time because there was no disincentive to losing.

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bullshite. You obviously know little about college football. Cross country games were much rarer in the 50's and 60's than they have become today, precisely because polls were penalizing teams with weak schedules.

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You could lose and still win your conference and go to a January 1 bowl.

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Again, if you knew anything about the history of college football, you would know that cross country games were featured much more from the 70's on, when polls began to reward teams for tough schedules.

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Now, a loss ruins your title chance, so teams don't play them nearly as much.

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Why would I play a tougher game, if it doesnt help win my conference or get to a playoff? Why? Answer that one damn question.

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This is not theory, this is WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

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No, you obviously dont know shite about how college football developed. The great series began in the 70's, in pursuit of national titles.

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If a team could still win a national title with an OOC loss, where is the incentive to not play tough OOC games?

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Injuries, wearing a team out by playing to many hard games in a row, having to show more of your playbook than you want to because you're in a dogfight with a tougher team, mental fatigue on your players, need I really go here?



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That's what you're gonna cling to? You want your team to refuse to play good games because they might get hurt?

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Not just hurt. Fatigued. You realize that football teams dont give the same effort week to week dont you? You know the concept of a trap game? the problems of playing three tough teams in a row? Do you actually know anything about the game of football?

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And you're trying to argue in favor of a meaningful regular season?

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No, im telling you coaches will win what they have to to get the ultimate prize. If it doesnt help them, they wont do it.

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I loved LSU playing Oregon and WVU because it took guts.

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So? Did you play in that game? Do you think a coach is going to schedule mkore potential losses and tough games if it doesnt help his team get to a title?

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As a fan, it was the best thing ever. More seasons should be like that.

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They wont be, if schedule toughness is not factored into winning titles.

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Play good teams. Prove you're good, don't just say it.

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If all i have to do is win my conference, why would i need to prove anything beyond that?

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Seriously? SERIOUSLY?! Are Bama fans this afraid of playing a good team OOC?

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Bama fans dont make the schedule or play the games any more than the LSU nfans do. The coaches do. And if games dont help them win titles, they wont schedule them.

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Aren't y'all the program that used to go to LA to play USC? Nut up.

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Nut up? You think you or I have any control over who your team schedules? No. the coach does you moron.

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Maybe, just maybe, you could play that tough game in a week other than the one before a huge conference game.

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There's only three games before the conference game starts.

We already play a top 10 michigan team to open the season. But you want more so a team will be good and sore when they actually start the conference grind? Again, you have provided no incentive for a coach to schedule more hard games other than "I like it as a fan." You know how much that coach gives a shite about your opinion as a fan? Not one bit.

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Maybe you could play it in September instead of yet another directional school. Just throwing it out there.

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Why? For what reason would a coach schedule it other than "Im a fan, i like it." You know what coaches like? winning, and winning championships, because thats what gets them hired and fired. What you like means diddly squat.

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Other than great football and proving you're the best.

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Really? "Great football" is why a coach schedules games? Really?

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And money from playing a good team and selling out or getting TV rights. We didn't play Oregon for free Conference pride means nothing?

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Conference pride means dick to a coach. He cares about winning games and winning championships. THats all.

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Beating those punks from the Big Ten you say suck so much and actually proving they suck instead of just saying so?

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I dont make the fricking schedule numbnuts. And neither do you.

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Basically, your argument is "I'm a bitch and I'm scared." Screw that.

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What part about "I dont make the goddamend schedule and neither do you" dont you get? You cant look at it from what YOU want. You look at it how a coach would.

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How do you determine the four best teams?

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The same way we determine them now.

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How did Alabama show they were better last year in the regular season?

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We played one close game all year and beat the shite out of everyone else.

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What was their accomplishment?

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See above.

How many titles would FSU had won if they didn't have to play Miami - their toughest team on their schedule...they lost, it's called process of elimination...if FSU were Alabama and we had the BCS - they would have gotten 3 Do-Overs...getting a mulligan on their singular big game. Actually, that's not a good comparison...FSU actually won their conference those years.