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Baseball Situation Question
Posted on 7/26/12 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 7/26/12 at 12:56 pm
1st & 3rd - 1 OUT
Guy from 1st attempts to steal 2nd as the pitch is actually put in play - caught by outfielder for out #2 - relay throw comes in and instead of throwing to 1st for the final out to catch the runner for not tagging up..... they throw home where the runner slides in safe. Now the runner heading back to first falls down and the catcher throws him out at 1st. Does the run count?
please back up the answer with reason, not just yes or no.
Guy from 1st attempts to steal 2nd as the pitch is actually put in play - caught by outfielder for out #2 - relay throw comes in and instead of throwing to 1st for the final out to catch the runner for not tagging up..... they throw home where the runner slides in safe. Now the runner heading back to first falls down and the catcher throws him out at 1st. Does the run count?
please back up the answer with reason, not just yes or no.
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Posted on 7/26/12 at 12:57 pm to SportzIQ3235
Yes. Run scored before final out on a non-force play.
This post was edited on 7/26/12 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 7/26/12 at 12:58 pm to SportzIQ3235
My initial guess would be no because the out at first is a forced out.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 12:58 pm to SportzIQ3235
wouldn't the out at first be a force out thus nullifying the run scoring?
Posted on 7/26/12 at 12:59 pm to SportzIQ3235
Yes. The runner at home was not a force and therefore a second play had taken place. If that makes sense.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 12:59 pm to TK421
I think someone posted a similar scenario a few weeks ago. And I think the conclusion was the run would count.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:00 pm to SportzIQ3235
No, the run definitely does not count. The out at first is considered a force play and the run would not count in this situation. If the runner made it back to first and like tripped over the base and came off of the bag and was the tagged out, then the run would count. Second part would never really happen, but I'm just making a stupid example.
Basically anytime you can get a runner out by touching the base instead of actually tagging the runner...it is a force play...runs cannot score with the third out of an inning being on a force.
Basically anytime you can get a runner out by touching the base instead of actually tagging the runner...it is a force play...runs cannot score with the third out of an inning being on a force.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:00 pm to jameison125
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Yes. Run scored before final out.
Really? So if there's a runner on 3rd, 2 outs and there's a ground ball hit to short and the runner from 3rd crosses the plate before the SS can make a throw to 1st the run counts?
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:02 pm to Rohan2Reed
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Really? So if there's a runner on 3rd, 2 outs and there's a ground ball hit to short and the runner from 3rd crosses the plate before the SS can make a throw to 1st the run counts?
Nope, run can NEVER score if the third out of an inning is a force out...under any circumstance.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:06 pm to PurpleAndGold86
It is no longer a force play, it is a timing play. the run counts.
The can never be a force play whena fly ball is caught.
The can never be a force play whena fly ball is caught.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:08 pm to TheVig10
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It is no longer a force play, it is a timing play. the run counts.
The can never be a force play whena fly ball is caught.
Wrong.
If a runner has left a base BEFORE the baseball is caught, it is most certainly a force play. The runner does not have to be tagged out. Now, if the runner were to leave the base AFTER the ball was caught, it would no longer be a force play and the runner would have to be tagged out and the run would have counted in the example above.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:08 pm to Rohan2Reed
once the runner crosses home plate legally (meaning they tagged up) it nulifies the force and makes it a timing call rather than a force out.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:09 pm to PurpleAndGold86
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:10 pm to TheVig10
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once the runner crosses home plate legally (meaning they tagged up) it nulifies the force and makes it a timing call rather than a force out
A runner crossing home plate has absolutely zero bearing on a force play. If a baserunner leaves a bag before the ball has been caught, it is a force play, period. No runner can ever nullify a force play. Ever.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:11 pm to TheVig10
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It is no longer a force play, it is a timing play. the run counts.
The can never be a force play whena fly ball is caught.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:12 pm to PurpleAndGold86
I know I am right on this one. it is miscalled regularly but the run counts
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:17 pm to TheVig10
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I know I am right on this one. it is miscalled regularly but the run counts
Yeah it actually does look like you are right...I'll eat some crow...I was mistaken and thought the runner would be considered a force at first base. Good call.
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:22 pm to SportzIQ3235
ive seen that type of scenario mentioned before and im pretty sure the run counts
ETA: yea what that guy said
ETA: yea what that guy said
This post was edited on 7/26/12 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 7/26/12 at 1:22 pm to TheVig10
knowledge dropped on me today.
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