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Posted on 11/23/09 at 9:56 am to Lester Earl
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55 TD's is a lot regardless of what u think. Comparing it to KO returns??? Really????
55 TD's is a lot,some teams don't score that many. 22 rushing TD's is a lot regardless of position. My objection is adding passing and rushing TD's and comparing that to positions other than QB, because its much easier to get 20+ passing TD's so its not fair to RB's, just as its not fair to add KR yds.
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Some of the "best" dual threat QBs in history never sniffed that combined total in a season...
TT's year was one of, if not the best for a QB ever, not question about it. While 55 total TD's is a ton, 32 of those are passing TD's. 32 passing TD's is lot, that's an outstanding year, but not unprecedented or mind blowing total by any means. 42 rushing TD otoh, is insane, no one has come close before or since and Sanders had 1 less game.
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and you're talking about Herschel Walker and Bo Jackson yada yada yada....Tim Tebow holds the SEC record for most rushing TDs in a season,
True and thats amazing for a QB. Howevah. Tebow did it in 13 games. Walker had 20 TD's in 11 games in 1981. Its also worth noting offense is much more wide open now. Various spread offenses have driven scoring up. UGA with Walker was a pound the ball team, the rantards would have hated it.
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but that season stacks up with the best ever
it would be on the short list for sure, but Sanders season blows all out of the water. The debate would be what is the 2nd best season ever.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 10:27 am to H-Town Tiger
One thing that I think is so stupid to argue is era and tendancy when comparing stats...
Each era has it's own uniqueness that differentiates it from another... Done use it as an excuse or a crutch
you can say tebow played in the days of the spread offense. But you can just as easily say Barry played in the days of power running, and and thus had better opportunity as a rb to work his stats.
You can also say that tebow had to do in in the era of real defensive schematic genius, thus making it harder to execute. Before that west coast offense, there was no zone blitzing, no hybrid players.
Now you don't know if the 6'3" 230 pounder who can cover 40 yards in 4.4 seconds and is lined up a mere 7 yards from you is going to come take your head off, or be in position to take away your deep post 40 yards away
Each era has it's own uniqueness that differentiates it from another... Done use it as an excuse or a crutch
you can say tebow played in the days of the spread offense. But you can just as easily say Barry played in the days of power running, and and thus had better opportunity as a rb to work his stats.
You can also say that tebow had to do in in the era of real defensive schematic genius, thus making it harder to execute. Before that west coast offense, there was no zone blitzing, no hybrid players.
Now you don't know if the 6'3" 230 pounder who can cover 40 yards in 4.4 seconds and is lined up a mere 7 yards from you is going to come take your head off, or be in position to take away your deep post 40 yards away
Posted on 11/23/09 at 11:11 am to KBeezy
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One thing that I think is so stupid to argue is era and tendancy when comparing stats...
seeing as its a huge factor, its very relevant. for example Pete Maravich avg 44 ppg in an era with no shot clock and no 3 pointer, that's a relevant detail and makes his numbers even more impressive.
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But you can just as easily say Barry played in the days of power running, and and thus had better opportunity as a rb to work his stats.
except for the little detail that when Sanders played, no one came close to his stats. It is easier to defend the run generally and more so when the threat of the pass is limited to a very basic passing game not to mention rule changes that have opened thing up.
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You can also say that tebow had to do in in the era of real defensive schematic genius, thus making it harder to execute
You can say it, but you can't back it up with any stats. Offensive production is much higher now, even in the SEC, across the board not just at Florida.
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Before that west coast offense, there was no zone blitzing, no hybrid players.
offense innovates defense adapts, doesn't change the fact that despite the defensive innovations, offensive production is much higher today.
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Now you don't know if the 6'3" 230 pounder who can cover 40 yards in 4.4 seconds and is lined up a mere 7 yards from you is going to come take your head off, or be in position to take away your deep post 40 yards away
Athletes on both sides of the ball have gotten much better no question about it. but that super stub LB also doesn't know exactly what's coming either. 30 years ago it was run off guard, off tackle or a post pattern if it was a pass that's about it.
This post was edited on 11/23/09 at 11:12 am
Posted on 11/23/09 at 11:30 am to Roughneck
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was unlike anything the college game had ever and still ever seen to this day.
None of us will likely ever see his equal again...so far and away better than anyone he was ever on the field with.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 11:55 am to H-Town Tiger
His Holiday Bowl stats are not included in those numbers. They did not count Bowl stats in those days. He won the Heisman, and went for like 270 yards in the Holiday Bowl.
Posted on 11/23/09 at 12:06 pm to Tiger in NY
that's been cleared up
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