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re: Army/Navy/Air Force Football Recruiting
Posted on 12/8/12 at 5:29 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 12/8/12 at 5:29 pm to Jim Rockford
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Jim Rockford
Where did he end up going and did he play ball? Just curious.
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Posted on 12/8/12 at 5:41 pm to SPEEDY
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SPEEDY
Those are all Navy players. I listed the ARMY H/W requirements.
Posted on 12/8/12 at 5:44 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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Those are all Navy players. I listed the ARMY H/W requirements.
They can and do get waivers.
Its not black and white.
Posted on 12/8/12 at 5:47 pm to kilo
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They can and do get waivers.
Its not black and white.
If they don't make height and weight by the time they commission and/or fail their entry APFT, they're discharged...no commission...and have to repay the government back.
Posted on 12/8/12 at 5:50 pm to yurintroubl
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Where did he end up going and did he play ball? Just curious.
He went to LSU and didn't play ball past HS. He was an all-state offensive lineman and was recruited by AF and a few Ivy League schools, but he was borderline on height even for that level, so he decided not to pursue it.
Posted on 12/8/12 at 5:58 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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If they don't make height and weight by the time they commission and/or fail their entry APFT
This is simply not true. They can get waivers around the H/W requirements as along as they are achievers on APFT tests.
Like I said, its not black and white.
Posted on 12/8/12 at 6:32 pm to kilo
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This is simply not true. They can get waivers around the H/W requirements as along as they are achievers on APFT tests.
If the CSA and SMA have their way, you fail H/W/T once and you're out.
Posted on 12/8/12 at 6:35 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
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If the CSA and SMA have their way, you fail H/W/T once and you're out.
So we are not talking about athletes now? Are you moving the goalposts?
Posted on 12/8/12 at 6:37 pm to kilo
The Army grants few exceptions for USMA athletes their 2nd semester senior year.
What I'm referring to is that, prior to commissioning, they'd better be within regs or they won't make BOLC.
What I'm referring to is that, prior to commissioning, they'd better be within regs or they won't make BOLC.
Posted on 12/8/12 at 6:43 pm to CGSC Lobotomy
But they do grant "exceptions", and that was my point all along.
So you're telling me a Cadet that was a four year football player and can score a 300 on the APFT is not going to get a commission because he fails a tape test?
You're arguing jut to argue. We both know that there are exceptions to the rule.
Have a nice night.
So you're telling me a Cadet that was a four year football player and can score a 300 on the APFT is not going to get a commission because he fails a tape test?
You're arguing jut to argue. We both know that there are exceptions to the rule.
Have a nice night.
Posted on 12/8/12 at 9:05 pm to ShreveportTIGER318
I played at Army for a couple of years. They recruit just like every other school. Just they are not likely to land the big name recruits. For instance, while I was being recruited they were also recruiting Gabe Northern. I remember my plebe year one of the GAs asked me about Warrick Dunn in which I told him good luck. Most of the players are there b/c this is the only Division I program that would take them. I chose USMA over USNA, Northwestern State, and McNeese. Tulane and USL showed some interest but no offers.
Football players have to meet all of the same requirements as any other student applying to get in. It just helps if the AD writes a letter of recommendation for you when your application is reviewed. Most of the athletes will be below the average test scores for their class but no well below. However several non athletes/not politically connected applicants are admitted with similar test scores. For instance my SAT score was 1000 which was well below class average. However, one of my roommates was accepted with a lower score and grades.
If your grades and test scores are well below admission standards then you can go to the prep school for a year. This is a school that is a yearlong that prepares you for the SAT. Those that excel at the Prep School gain admission to the Academy and those that don't get a ROTC scholarship to other schools. The Prep School is for more than just football recruits. Some recruits will also go to private prep schools. The prep school also works as a red shirt year b/c once you get to West Point you don't red shirt.
The football team is operated like hybrid program between a college program and a high school program. This means that it is really an extracurricular activity. You get some preferential treatment over the non athletes but nothing of true value. Most of the preferential treatment occurs during your plebe year. You get to sit at training tables with unlimited portions and don’t get harassed the whole meal like your classmates. Instead you have your academic schedule compressed so that you don't have any periods off before going to practice. Then after practice you eat dinner in the mess hall before going to your room to study/do homework. Typically get back to your room at 7:30 and lights out is midnight.
The other area where it's like high school is that there are no scholarships which means they have an unlimited roster. I've read a few times that Lou Holtz has actually complained that this is unfair. When I was there we had 150+ players. This is because they have extremely high turnover on the football team. I gave up what would probably have been a starting position on the line b/c I was an engineering major which required additional classes and football wasn't fun anymore given the other requirements.
The football players are required to attend classes and take the same classes that every other cadet takes. The do not get any preferential treatment when it comes to passing classes.
I saw others asked about weight. The school will grant the football program a certain number of waivers from the height weight restrictions. Typically your linemen. After they are done with football they enter the "fat boy" program and have to meet weight standards prior to graduating. So a 270 pound lineman will drop to around 215 in the final semester of his senior year.
I know this is long. I hope it answers your question. Feel free to ask more.
Football players have to meet all of the same requirements as any other student applying to get in. It just helps if the AD writes a letter of recommendation for you when your application is reviewed. Most of the athletes will be below the average test scores for their class but no well below. However several non athletes/not politically connected applicants are admitted with similar test scores. For instance my SAT score was 1000 which was well below class average. However, one of my roommates was accepted with a lower score and grades.
If your grades and test scores are well below admission standards then you can go to the prep school for a year. This is a school that is a yearlong that prepares you for the SAT. Those that excel at the Prep School gain admission to the Academy and those that don't get a ROTC scholarship to other schools. The Prep School is for more than just football recruits. Some recruits will also go to private prep schools. The prep school also works as a red shirt year b/c once you get to West Point you don't red shirt.
The football team is operated like hybrid program between a college program and a high school program. This means that it is really an extracurricular activity. You get some preferential treatment over the non athletes but nothing of true value. Most of the preferential treatment occurs during your plebe year. You get to sit at training tables with unlimited portions and don’t get harassed the whole meal like your classmates. Instead you have your academic schedule compressed so that you don't have any periods off before going to practice. Then after practice you eat dinner in the mess hall before going to your room to study/do homework. Typically get back to your room at 7:30 and lights out is midnight.
The other area where it's like high school is that there are no scholarships which means they have an unlimited roster. I've read a few times that Lou Holtz has actually complained that this is unfair. When I was there we had 150+ players. This is because they have extremely high turnover on the football team. I gave up what would probably have been a starting position on the line b/c I was an engineering major which required additional classes and football wasn't fun anymore given the other requirements.
The football players are required to attend classes and take the same classes that every other cadet takes. The do not get any preferential treatment when it comes to passing classes.
I saw others asked about weight. The school will grant the football program a certain number of waivers from the height weight restrictions. Typically your linemen. After they are done with football they enter the "fat boy" program and have to meet weight standards prior to graduating. So a 270 pound lineman will drop to around 215 in the final semester of his senior year.
I know this is long. I hope it answers your question. Feel free to ask more.
This post was edited on 12/8/12 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 12/8/12 at 9:24 pm to kilo
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So you're telling me a Cadet that was a four year football player and can score a 300 on the APFT is not going to get a commission because he fails a tape test?
This is an accurate statement. At least when I was there. No cadet was commissioned unless they passed their final PT test and tape test. Those that failed had to go through the summer STAP program to give them the time that they needed to get below the standard.
USMA does not like their reputation tarnished when their officers show up for OBC not meeting either the APFT or the height weight standards.
Remember these guys are future officers first and football players second.
On the flip side, I had a classmate that was the starting tailback who could score a 300 on the APFT not get commissioned because he had asthma. I thought that was complete BS and he didn't fight too hard for a waiver.
Posted on 12/8/12 at 10:02 pm to Quidam65
David Robinson played at navy
Posted on 12/8/12 at 11:48 pm to COTiger
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My fuzzy memory tells me he got his committment reduced to two years.
ISTR he did two years active duty and a few years in the reserve after that.
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