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Thinking about hitting 401k limit with May Bonus

Posted on 5/13/21 at 8:58 pm
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 5/13/21 at 8:58 pm
I should get annual bonus end of May. I am thinking about changing contribution 25-40% so I hit 401K limit.

Question for board how risky is this versus doing it over the whole year?
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/13/21 at 8:59 pm to
Will it affect how your company matches?
Posted by Doink
Greatna
Member since Sep 2012
413 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:00 pm to
Stonks only go up...

Serious note, if you have the money (and we aren’t at an all time high), why not? Lump sum dump in and focus on funding other accounts for the rest of the year.
Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
3333 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:03 pm to
19.5k or the 56k limit?
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41584 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:09 pm to
Your bonus goes into your 401k?
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:10 pm to
quote:

Question for board how risky is this versus doing it over the whole year?
There's studies on this. Lump sum early vs DCA.

But the most important thing here is potential company matching implications, if any.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38782 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:11 pm to
quote:

Will it affect how your company matches?


Company will do catch-up in December $3-4k impact
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38782 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:11 pm to
quote:

19.5k or the 56k limit?



$19.5k what is $56k limit?
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38782 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:14 pm to
quote:

Your bonus goes into your 401k?


X % of my pay goes in 401k

Do instead of regular 10-12% I am going to up percentage so bonus goes more to 401k
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38782 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:15 pm to
quote:

There's studies on this. Lump sum early vs DCA.

But the most important thing here is potential company matching implications, if any.


So systematically I lose out on 4% match over year but they true up at December 31

Impact should be $3-4k
This post was edited on 5/13/21 at 9:16 pm
Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
3333 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:24 pm to
Max for employer, pretax, and after tax contributions


ETA: i think the limit is 58k for 2021
This post was edited on 5/13/21 at 9:27 pm
Posted by CE Tiger
Metairie
Member since Jan 2008
41584 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:25 pm to
quote:

X % of my pay goes in 401k

My bonus never goes to my 401k , payroll treats it as separate
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38782 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:30 pm to
quote:


My bonus never goes to my 401k , payroll treats it as separate


Oh for some reason I can't do different amounts they just pull same % for regular and bonus





Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162219 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:32 pm to
Guess it would depend on how flexible your plan is about changes. I can login at any time and change contribution percentages but sometimes they take a while to go into effect. I moved mine from 20 to 15 a few weeks ago because I was making more than anticipated but the change won't go into effect for a couple months.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
82026 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:35 pm to
quote:

So systematically I lose out on 4% match over year but they true up at December 31

Impact should be $3-4k
Yeah might as well go for it. You're contributing, that's the most important and you're not losing out on the match.
I'd personally just DCA over the last seven months, but I'd suspect if you run numbers the range of realistic outcomes isn't wide.

quote:

My bonus never goes to my 401k , payroll treats it as separate
Yeah same.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38782 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:36 pm to
quote:

Guess it would depend on how flexible your plan is about changes. I can login at any time and change contribution percentages but sometimes they take a while to go into effect.


Usually it happens same payroll period. I got it up to 25% so May 15th is going to hurt. A little annoyed they won't tell us bonus basically until day of. My guess 25% won't get me to $19,500 hopefully close.

Might get jelly of month lol
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
38782 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 9:39 pm to
quote:

Yeah might as well go for it.


Yeah hoping to then build better savings. I am usually pretty good on 401k but don't save as well otherwise.

What I do save I just buy stonks even though I try and keep emergency cash
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
14962 posts
Posted on 5/13/21 at 11:08 pm to
quote:

Question for board how risky is this versus doing it over the whole year?



Last year, I front loaded and bought my whole year’s worth of contributions in mid-February. Three days later, things began to tumble. Then they came back. I ended the year up, still (60% S&p, 20% small cap, 20% international).
You’ll never know when a peak or trough occurs until later.
You’ll end the year up (in the s&p. I’m sure the total market is similar) about 3 in every 4 years.
After “losing” 30% of what I put in over the course of a few weeks, I still maintain a 100% equities portfolio, don’t sell (so I never really “lost” any money at all!), and plan on front loading annual contributions in the future.
For a “boring” strategy where you buy and hold, which is typically what a 401k is going to offer, it’s probably got more upside than downside.
Being aware enough to ask the question probably means you’ve already won the game, and the difference between the two isn’t going to be the difference between you retiring earlier/later/richer/poorer.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84871 posts
Posted on 5/14/21 at 5:50 am to
Yeah most of the math says lump sum as early as possible gives you more money in the long run since stocks mostly go up. DCA gives you a better worst case scenario and is also just easy, so it’s an understandable default option.
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