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re: Still on the Learning Curve - 30 year mortgage better than 15 year mortgage?

Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:21 am to
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18426 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:21 am to
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If life was that simple, everyone would be rich.


I thought 5% was a safe number for passive index fund investing.
Posted by JL
Member since Aug 2006
3046 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:57 am to
My credit union offered a 20 yr, kind of split the difference between the two. That's what I went with.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
37715 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 8:18 am to
quote:

If life was that simple, everyone would be rich.


Not sure I follow. It is that simple.

I'm a firm believer that anyone in the US can be "rich". Nobody wants to make the sacrifices to do so.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
73892 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 8:56 am to
The 30yr Fix is the biggest scam by the banks ever
Posted by iAmBatman
The Batcave
Member since Mar 2011
12382 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:09 am to
Care to explain your outlandish statement or are you just going to say something sensational and never defend it?
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
73892 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 11:19 am to
In a 30yr fix the benefit of the loan (paying as much principle as interest) doesnt start till year 12-15

97%of the borrowing public readjust there mortgage every 5-7yrs so they never get the advantages of the loan

They just reammortize themselves.

Have you seen an amortization schedule?
Paying as much in interest sometimes more to borrow principle is a scam

Why is their balloons and confetti around the "30yr Rate of the day" when you walk into a bank

Do you think the Banks dont know these stats?

My favorite is the clients who before the implosion got a 30yr in the 4%. RATES WILL NEVER GET THIS LOW!! Im Never refing again! Is what I was told

Guess who called me when rates got in the 3's? Guess whose calling me again since values have gone up and the kids are going off to school so they need cash and rates are still kinda low?

So now these clients have refied 3 times in 10yrs paid costs, got nowhere and then Neg Am'd themselves by taking cash out

But the Option Arm was the worst of all loans and the reason for the implosion

30yr fix is a Vicious cycle and a scam








Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 11:28 am to
Oh really?
Posted by Sigma
Fairhope, AL
Member since Dec 2005
3643 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 11:28 am to
Sure, but you can apply that reasoning to nearly every financial product. Used wisely, a 30 yr fixed can be very useful, and often a better choice than a 15 yr (which you would choose to avoid the scenario you laid out).
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
73892 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 11:44 am to
Sure to the 3% thats disciplined and maybe whose loans are under 100k for a 30yr

15yr fix is the best loan but the payment scares everyone

The states we do business in are high loan amounts so the numbers are crazy on 250k and up.

My favorite (as im ranting now) is the borrower who ONLY wants a 30yr fix

Questions I ask

What did you buy the house for? Answer:100k

What do you owe now? Answer: 225k

Value of home? Answer:500k

Have you stayed in a home loan longer than 7yrs? Answer: No

What is the goal with the refi? Take 25k cash out for whatever keep payment the same or lower payment and 30yr Fix ONLY

What about the Option Arm? I would NEVER do a loan where I would add to the balance of my loan!!!

But you bought the home for 100k and after this refi you will owe 250k you've only done 30yr fixes and you don't like loans that add to the principle?



Posted by HailToTheChiz
Back in Auburn
Member since Aug 2010
48991 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 12:48 pm to
but for those folks who only plan to be in the home 7-8 years, isnt the 30 year fixed the way to go?
Posted by Sigma
Fairhope, AL
Member since Dec 2005
3643 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 12:52 pm to
It depends, but by paying the amt due each month, you will certainly have less equity after 7-8 yrs in a 30 yr vs 15.
Posted by LSUAfro
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
12775 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:02 pm to
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In a 30yr fix the benefit of the loan (paying as much principle as interest) doesnt start till year 12-15

Everybody has the same interest rate? At 3.25 my principal exceeds my interest in year 8.
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97%of the borrowing public readjust there mortgage every 5-7yrs so they never get the advantages of the loan

Their. And, I call bullshite.
quote:

Paying as much in interest sometimes more to borrow principle is a scam

There are a lot of smart people getting scammed.
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Guess who called me when rates got in the 3's?

Hopefully you told them that a 4% interest rate is good and not to touch their mortgage.
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So now these clients have refied 3 times in 10yrs paid costs, got nowhere and then Neg Am'd themselves by taking cash out

I sure hope you didn't advise somebody to refinance 3 times in 10 years.
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 1:31 pm
Posted by ItNeverRains
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Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:28 pm to
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Not sure I follow. It is that simple. I'm a firm believer that anyone in the US can be "rich". Nobody wants to make the sacrifices to do so.


Sacrificing is difficult part, either on the front end of investing or the back end of saving majority of what one has invested.

Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25494 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:38 pm to
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but for those folks who only plan to be in the home 7-8 years, isnt the 30 year fixed the way to go?


No, take a 7/1 amortized on a 30 and it's usually about 1% cheaper APR for the life of the loan. It's just a dirty word to suggest it in my business.
Posted by Gevans17
Member since Dec 2007
1135 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 2:43 pm to
do what he said
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
73892 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 2:52 pm to
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Everybody has the same interest rate? At 3.25 my principal exceeds my interest in year 8.


Great if you make it past 8yrs
Thats my point. No one does

Call bull shite all you want but those are facts 97% do it every 5-7yrs captain

Thanks for the spell check

quote:

sure hope you didn't advise somebody to refinance 3 times in 10 years.


You obviously didnt follow along




Posted by LSUAfro
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
12775 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 3:02 pm to
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Great if you make it past 8yrs
Thats my point. No one does

Call bull shite all you want but those are facts 97% do it every 5-7yrs captain
The fact that we've had sub 5 rates for several years now, will quickly erode whatever "fact" you've think you've found and will provide very little incentive for those looking to refinance in the next 10-15 years, chief.
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You obviously didnt follow along
It wasn't an easy thing to do.

Declaring the 30 year fixed a "scam" in this current environment is just silly.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
73892 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 3:12 pm to


Everyone is refinancing out of the 3.25% into 4.25-4.5% to get the equity that just came back. Just stuck on that hamster wheel

They will refi again at 5.5 or 6% when they need even more money or when life changes which it always does

Or they thought they were smart by getting a HELOC at a low rate and will combine that when prime increases drastically into a 30yr at whatever rate

Nothing stops whether rates increase or not

Its a scam that all Banks sit back and chuckle about im sorry if you cant understand that

Posted by iAmBatman
The Batcave
Member since Mar 2011
12382 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 3:21 pm to
It's funny when someone thinks they know everything and try so hard to prove it, but in reality they just make themselves look like a jackass. Don't ever change brah!
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
73892 posts
Posted on 6/16/15 at 3:33 pm to
Ok Batman Care to explain your outlandish statement or are you just going to say something sensational and never defend it?
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