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Posted on 6/16/15 at 7:57 am to StringedInstruments
My credit union offered a 20 yr, kind of split the difference between the two. That's what I went with.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 8:18 am to lsu xman
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If life was that simple, everyone would be rich.
Not sure I follow. It is that simple.
I'm a firm believer that anyone in the US can be "rich". Nobody wants to make the sacrifices to do so.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 8:56 am to StringedInstruments
The 30yr Fix is the biggest scam by the banks ever
Posted on 6/16/15 at 10:09 am to SDVTiger
Care to explain your outlandish statement or are you just going to say something sensational and never defend it?
Posted on 6/16/15 at 11:19 am to iAmBatman
In a 30yr fix the benefit of the loan (paying as much principle as interest) doesnt start till year 12-15
97%of the borrowing public readjust there mortgage every 5-7yrs so they never get the advantages of the loan
They just reammortize themselves.
Have you seen an amortization schedule?
Paying as much in interest sometimes more to borrow principle is a scam
Why is their balloons and confetti around the "30yr Rate of the day" when you walk into a bank
Do you think the Banks dont know these stats?
My favorite is the clients who before the implosion got a 30yr in the 4%. RATES WILL NEVER GET THIS LOW!! Im Never refing again! Is what I was told
Guess who called me when rates got in the 3's? Guess whose calling me again since values have gone up and the kids are going off to school so they need cash and rates are still kinda low?
So now these clients have refied 3 times in 10yrs paid costs, got nowhere and then Neg Am'd themselves by taking cash out
But the Option Arm was the worst of all loans and the reason for the implosion
30yr fix is a Vicious cycle and a scam
97%of the borrowing public readjust there mortgage every 5-7yrs so they never get the advantages of the loan
They just reammortize themselves.
Have you seen an amortization schedule?
Paying as much in interest sometimes more to borrow principle is a scam
Why is their balloons and confetti around the "30yr Rate of the day" when you walk into a bank
Do you think the Banks dont know these stats?
My favorite is the clients who before the implosion got a 30yr in the 4%. RATES WILL NEVER GET THIS LOW!! Im Never refing again! Is what I was told
Guess who called me when rates got in the 3's? Guess whose calling me again since values have gone up and the kids are going off to school so they need cash and rates are still kinda low?
So now these clients have refied 3 times in 10yrs paid costs, got nowhere and then Neg Am'd themselves by taking cash out
But the Option Arm was the worst of all loans and the reason for the implosion
30yr fix is a Vicious cycle and a scam
Posted on 6/16/15 at 11:28 am to SDVTiger
Sure, but you can apply that reasoning to nearly every financial product. Used wisely, a 30 yr fixed can be very useful, and often a better choice than a 15 yr (which you would choose to avoid the scenario you laid out).
Posted on 6/16/15 at 11:44 am to Sigma
Sure to the 3% thats disciplined and maybe whose loans are under 100k for a 30yr
15yr fix is the best loan but the payment scares everyone
The states we do business in are high loan amounts so the numbers are crazy on 250k and up.
My favorite (as im ranting now) is the borrower who ONLY wants a 30yr fix
Questions I ask
What did you buy the house for? Answer:100k
What do you owe now? Answer: 225k
Value of home? Answer:500k
Have you stayed in a home loan longer than 7yrs? Answer: No
What is the goal with the refi? Take 25k cash out for whatever keep payment the same or lower payment and 30yr Fix ONLY
What about the Option Arm? I would NEVER do a loan where I would add to the balance of my loan!!!
But you bought the home for 100k and after this refi you will owe 250k you've only done 30yr fixes and you don't like loans that add to the principle?
15yr fix is the best loan but the payment scares everyone
The states we do business in are high loan amounts so the numbers are crazy on 250k and up.
My favorite (as im ranting now) is the borrower who ONLY wants a 30yr fix
Questions I ask
What did you buy the house for? Answer:100k
What do you owe now? Answer: 225k
Value of home? Answer:500k
Have you stayed in a home loan longer than 7yrs? Answer: No
What is the goal with the refi? Take 25k cash out for whatever keep payment the same or lower payment and 30yr Fix ONLY
What about the Option Arm? I would NEVER do a loan where I would add to the balance of my loan!!!
But you bought the home for 100k and after this refi you will owe 250k you've only done 30yr fixes and you don't like loans that add to the principle?
Posted on 6/16/15 at 12:48 pm to SDVTiger
but for those folks who only plan to be in the home 7-8 years, isnt the 30 year fixed the way to go?
Posted on 6/16/15 at 12:52 pm to HailToTheChiz
It depends, but by paying the amt due each month, you will certainly have less equity after 7-8 yrs in a 30 yr vs 15.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:02 pm to SDVTiger
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In a 30yr fix the benefit of the loan (paying as much principle as interest) doesnt start till year 12-15
Everybody has the same interest rate? At 3.25 my principal exceeds my interest in year 8.
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97%of the borrowing public readjust there mortgage every 5-7yrs so they never get the advantages of the loan
Their. And, I call bullshite.
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Paying as much in interest sometimes more to borrow principle is a scam
There are a lot of smart people getting scammed.
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Guess who called me when rates got in the 3's?
Hopefully you told them that a 4% interest rate is good and not to touch their mortgage.
quote:
So now these clients have refied 3 times in 10yrs paid costs, got nowhere and then Neg Am'd themselves by taking cash out
I sure hope you didn't advise somebody to refinance 3 times in 10 years.
This post was edited on 6/16/15 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:28 pm to I Love Bama
quote:
Not sure I follow. It is that simple. I'm a firm believer that anyone in the US can be "rich". Nobody wants to make the sacrifices to do so.
Sacrificing is difficult part, either on the front end of investing or the back end of saving majority of what one has invested.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 1:38 pm to HailToTheChiz
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but for those folks who only plan to be in the home 7-8 years, isnt the 30 year fixed the way to go?
No, take a 7/1 amortized on a 30 and it's usually about 1% cheaper APR for the life of the loan. It's just a dirty word to suggest it in my business.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 2:52 pm to LSUAfro
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Everybody has the same interest rate? At 3.25 my principal exceeds my interest in year 8.
Great if you make it past 8yrs
Thats my point. No one does
Call bull shite all you want but those are facts 97% do it every 5-7yrs captain
Thanks for the spell check
quote:
sure hope you didn't advise somebody to refinance 3 times in 10 years.
You obviously didnt follow along
Posted on 6/16/15 at 3:02 pm to SDVTiger
quote:The fact that we've had sub 5 rates for several years now, will quickly erode whatever "fact" you've think you've found and will provide very little incentive for those looking to refinance in the next 10-15 years, chief.
Great if you make it past 8yrs
Thats my point. No one does
Call bull shite all you want but those are facts 97% do it every 5-7yrs captain
quote:It wasn't an easy thing to do.
You obviously didnt follow along
Declaring the 30 year fixed a "scam" in this current environment is just silly.
Posted on 6/16/15 at 3:12 pm to LSUAfro
Everyone is refinancing out of the 3.25% into 4.25-4.5% to get the equity that just came back. Just stuck on that hamster wheel
They will refi again at 5.5 or 6% when they need even more money or when life changes which it always does
Or they thought they were smart by getting a HELOC at a low rate and will combine that when prime increases drastically into a 30yr at whatever rate
Nothing stops whether rates increase or not
Its a scam that all Banks sit back and chuckle about im sorry if you cant understand that
Posted on 6/16/15 at 3:21 pm to SDVTiger
It's funny when someone thinks they know everything and try so hard to prove it, but in reality they just make themselves look like a jackass. Don't ever change brah!
Posted on 6/16/15 at 3:33 pm to iAmBatman
Ok Batman Care to explain your outlandish statement or are you just going to say something sensational and never defend it?
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