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Shiller Data: Real home prices for 1Q of 2011 less than they were in 1979.
Posted on 8/7/11 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 8/7/11 at 8:54 pm
Like I noted in April, home prices were then in 1970s territory. Just checking some updated Shiller spreadsheets tonight, and it turns out that his real price index for 2011-1Q is indeed lower than home prices were at times during the 1970s.
Using the link in the 3rd paragraph up from the bottom on his Online Data webpage...
Real Home Price Index
1894, 123.98
1942, 68.50
1979-1Q, 121.81
1996-4Q, 106.73
2006-1Q, 198.01
2011-1Q, 118.52
As Sinbad might say, home prices be crazy.
Also of interest to some, here are some seasonal highs & lows in the infamous C-S 20-City HPI for years since 2009...
Year, Spring Low, Summer High
2009, 139.26 (Apr), 146.63 (Sep)
2010, 143.34 (Mar), 148.89 (Jul)
2011, 137.66 (Mar), ???
Remember to factor in the $8000 homebuyer tax credit that was passed in mid-February 2009, and ran all the way to April 30, 2010.
And for the NAR existing home sales data, which is month-to-month rather than a trailing 3-month average...
Year, Spring Low, Summer High
(median sales price in thousand of dollars)
2009, 166.5 (Apr), 181.8 (Jun)
2010, 164.6 (Feb), 182.9 (Jun)
2011, 156.1 (Feb), 184.3 (Jun) [so far]
I sort of expect that $184,300 median price figure for June to get revised. That's just a crazy jump from $169,300 in May. That can't be right. We might get a revision on Thursday, August 18.
Using the link in the 3rd paragraph up from the bottom on his Online Data webpage...
Real Home Price Index
1894, 123.98
1942, 68.50
1979-1Q, 121.81
1996-4Q, 106.73
2006-1Q, 198.01
2011-1Q, 118.52
As Sinbad might say, home prices be crazy.
Also of interest to some, here are some seasonal highs & lows in the infamous C-S 20-City HPI for years since 2009...
Year, Spring Low, Summer High
2009, 139.26 (Apr), 146.63 (Sep)
2010, 143.34 (Mar), 148.89 (Jul)
2011, 137.66 (Mar), ???
Remember to factor in the $8000 homebuyer tax credit that was passed in mid-February 2009, and ran all the way to April 30, 2010.
And for the NAR existing home sales data, which is month-to-month rather than a trailing 3-month average...
Year, Spring Low, Summer High
(median sales price in thousand of dollars)
2009, 166.5 (Apr), 181.8 (Jun)
2010, 164.6 (Feb), 182.9 (Jun)
2011, 156.1 (Feb), 184.3 (Jun) [so far]
I sort of expect that $184,300 median price figure for June to get revised. That's just a crazy jump from $169,300 in May. That can't be right. We might get a revision on Thursday, August 18.
Posted on 8/7/11 at 8:58 pm to Doc Fenton
Do you know of any good databases for long-term rental prices? I guess that data wouldn't be readily avaiable from 30 years ago. But demand for rental properties has definitely surged here in Nashville in the last few years.
Posted on 8/7/11 at 8:59 pm to Doc Fenton
quote:
Shiller Data: Real home prices for 1Q of 2011 less than they were in 1979.
Means inflation adjusted, right?
Posted on 8/7/11 at 9:01 pm to LSUtoOmaha
I would snoop around more of Shiller's tables, or else try archived tables from the BLS. If both of those places don't have the data you're looking for, then I would just do a random search engine hunt from there.
Posted on 8/7/11 at 9:02 pm to LSUtoOmaha
There's a price-to-rent ratio someone publishes that CalculatedRisk references regularly. I don't remember who publishes it.
Posted on 8/7/11 at 9:05 pm to LSUtoOmaha
It's frustrating to do Google searches for it, because you'll get dozens of academic-type articles trying to make a point about OER vs. actual rent, but none of them will actually point you toward a database that has a historical index for either measure.
Posted on 8/7/11 at 9:11 pm to Doc Fenton
LINK /
This post was edited on 8/7/11 at 9:16 pm
Posted on 8/7/11 at 9:17 pm to kfizzle85
Here's the link to the "shelter - rent of primary residence" component of CPI, if you have an account with Moody's Analytics: LINK.
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Here's a rent-to-price ratio going back to 1960 done by the FHFA: LINK.
The FHFA resulted from the 2008 merger of some agencies from FHFB, OFHEO, and HUD, so I'm not sure who was doing the ratio before then.
The Case-Shiller-Weiss ratio started sometime in 2000.
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Here's where the BLS explains rent and "rental equivalence," last updated in 2007: LINK.
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Here's a rent-to-price ratio going back to 1960 done by the FHFA: LINK.
The FHFA resulted from the 2008 merger of some agencies from FHFB, OFHEO, and HUD, so I'm not sure who was doing the ratio before then.
The Case-Shiller-Weiss ratio started sometime in 2000.
XXX
Here's where the BLS explains rent and "rental equivalence," last updated in 2007: LINK.
This post was edited on 8/7/11 at 9:24 pm
Posted on 8/7/11 at 9:21 pm to Doc Fenton
Wow, it looks like from 2006-2011, rent has increased by 80 percent in proportion to home prices (from ~3.1 to ~5.5 percent).
Posted on 8/7/11 at 9:26 pm to LSUtoOmaha
THE RENT WAS TOO DAMN LOW!!!
(... for people to still be buying houses in 2006 )
(... for people to still be buying houses in 2006 )
This post was edited on 8/7/11 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 8/7/11 at 9:32 pm to LSUtoOmaha
quote:
Wow, it looks like from 2006-2011, rent has increased by 80 percent in proportion to home prices (from ~3.1 to ~5.5 percent).
I'm no expert on that analysis but wouldn't that make ownership more attractive compared to renting?
Posted on 8/7/11 at 9:36 pm to LSURussian
Yes. Well, relative to 2006 levels, it is more attractive to own a home than rent. In absolute terms I have no idea, because the rent data is only avaiable on the linked information going back a decade.
ETA: nevermind, the chart is a ratio of rentals and home prices since 1960.
Rental prices relative to home prices are at a high.
ETA: nevermind, the chart is a ratio of rentals and home prices since 1960.
Rental prices relative to home prices are at a high.
This post was edited on 8/7/11 at 9:46 pm
Posted on 8/7/11 at 9:41 pm to LSUtoOmaha
At the risk of stating the obvious and not clicking the link, I would surmise that rent has not gone up, housing prices have just gone down, which makes it look like rent has "risen," when in reality, it has not.
Posted on 8/7/11 at 9:45 pm to kfizzle85
It looks like it was rising at a faster-than-normal clip in 2006 & 2007, and then pretty much flattened out from there:
Average Annual Imputed Rent
1960.1 $809.55
1960.2 $816.00
1960.3 $822.50
1960.4 $831.18
1961.1 $837.78
1961.2 $844.43
1961.3 $851.13
1961.4 $860.06
...
2006.1 $9,333.29
2006.2 $9,427.39
2006.3 $9,535.54
2006.4 $9,643.69
2007.1 $9,755.06
2007.2 $9,844.11
2007.3 $9,925.86
2007.4 $10,030.68
2008.1 $10,118.79
2008.2 $10,198.55
2008.3 $10,297.66
2008.4 $10,389.11
2009.1 $10,452.92
2009.2 $10,493.87
2009.3 $10,501.96
2009.4 $10,488.72
2010.1 $10,485.26
2010.2 $10,490.87
2010.3 $10,509.25
2010.4 $10,548.33
2011.1 $10,601.41
Average Annual Imputed Rent
1960.1 $809.55
1960.2 $816.00
1960.3 $822.50
1960.4 $831.18
1961.1 $837.78
1961.2 $844.43
1961.3 $851.13
1961.4 $860.06
...
2006.1 $9,333.29
2006.2 $9,427.39
2006.3 $9,535.54
2006.4 $9,643.69
2007.1 $9,755.06
2007.2 $9,844.11
2007.3 $9,925.86
2007.4 $10,030.68
2008.1 $10,118.79
2008.2 $10,198.55
2008.3 $10,297.66
2008.4 $10,389.11
2009.1 $10,452.92
2009.2 $10,493.87
2009.3 $10,501.96
2009.4 $10,488.72
2010.1 $10,485.26
2010.2 $10,490.87
2010.3 $10,509.25
2010.4 $10,548.33
2011.1 $10,601.41
Posted on 8/7/11 at 9:48 pm to Doc Fenton
I pay $10,110 a year in rent. That datum fits in well with your data.
Posted on 8/7/11 at 9:51 pm to Doc Fenton
So rental prices over the last five years have increased by about 14 percent, or between 2-2.5 percent annually. I don't think that is inflation adjusted either.
Posted on 8/7/11 at 9:51 pm to LSUtoOmaha
Is that pure rent or "living costs" eg rent + util (I consider internet/cable util)?
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