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re: Nebius - NBIS - AI Infrastructure Company

Posted on 2/18/25 at 4:18 pm to
Posted by jefforize
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 2/18/25 at 4:18 pm to
some interesting NBIS DD on wsb frontpage

LINK

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Final Verdict: If You’re Buying at $45+, You Better Believe in Magic
Nebius is not cheap. At $45, it’s already pricing in hypergrowth, flawless execution, and Nvidia’s continued blessing.

The Big Question: Do You Trust These Guys to Pull It Off?

If you think Volozh and his team are mad geniuses who will stop at nothing to get rich, buy it.
If you think AWS, Azure, and CoreWeave will crush them like a bug, stay away.
At $25-$30 per share, Nebius would be a high-risk, high-reward AI bet. At $45+ per share, it’s degenerate gambling.

They have potential, but so did a thousand other cloud startups before them. If you’re buying at these levels, you better believe in destiny, vengeance, and the raw power of resentment-fueled innovation.



we're betting on if an exiled Russian can beat AWS, Azure, and Google in Europe
Posted by bayoubengals88
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 2/18/25 at 4:21 pm to
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Do you have advice/strategies on buying vs not buying 2027 calls? ITM or OTM better?

I don't like buying calls when there isn't much of a market for them, meaning low volume and wide bid/ask spread.
Also, I would wait for a sudden dip to go really long like that.
My Jan 2026 $35 call cost me just 7.30 on Deep Seek Day.

Regarding ITM vs. OTM you'll just have to find your risk preference.
I went with a closer to the money call on Deep Seek because I wanted to be conservative. The ones who bought 40-50 calls on that day are making (or made) serious bank.



This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 4:22 pm
Posted by LChama
Member since May 2020
3320 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 4:48 pm to
Thanks for the option insight. I’ll reassess after thursday.
Posted by LChama
Member since May 2020
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Posted on 2/18/25 at 4:50 pm to
quote:

Final Verdict: If You’re Buying at $45+, You Better Believe in Magic Nebius is not cheap. At $45, it’s already pricing in hypergrowth, flawless execution, and Nvidia’s continued blessing. The Big Question: Do You Trust These Guys to Pull It Off? If you think Volozh and his team are mad geniuses who will stop at nothing to get rich, buy it. If you think AWS, Azure, and CoreWeave will crush them like a bug, stay away. At $25-$30 per share, Nebius would be a high-risk, high-reward AI bet. At $45+ per share, it’s degenerate gambling. They have potential, but so did a thousand other cloud startups before them. If you’re buying at these levels, you better believe in destiny, vengeance, and the raw power of resentment-fueled innovation


The response in that thread is equally as encouraging as this exerpt is discouraging. Glad i read the response
Posted by bayoubengals88
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Member since Sep 2007
23498 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 5:03 pm to
quote:

Final Verdict: If You’re Buying at $45+, You Better Believe in Magic Nebius is not cheap. At $45, it’s already pricing in hypergrowth, flawless execution, and Nvidia’s continued blessing. The Big Question: Do You Trust These Guys to Pull It Off? If you think Volozh and his team are mad geniuses who will stop at nothing to get rich, buy it. If you think AWS, Azure, and CoreWeave will crush them like a bug, stay away. At $25-$30 per share, Nebius would be a high-risk, high-reward AI bet. At $45+ per share, it’s degenerate gambling. They have potential, but so did a thousand other cloud startups before them. If you’re buying at these levels, you better believe in destiny, vengeance, and the raw power of resentment-fueled innovation.


This is mindless drivel. I look forward to reading the thread.
Posted by bayoubengals88
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Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 2/18/25 at 7:44 pm to
He definitely makes some good points, but he sounds like a guy who would just love to double down at $35. Hence the FUD he’s spreading on what’s now a prominent place to get investment ideas.

No mentions of Avride.
I don’t see how $45 is priced to perfection given all of the other valuations that have been posted throughout this thread.

I also don’t think he’s giving Arkady and team the respect they deserve.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23498 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:11 pm to
This fella took him to school:

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It's absolute killer work, top-tier, money-making diamond platinum insight. I appreciate the hell out of the hustle, the energy, the sweat(ty keyboard) poured into this.

Now, just a couple of quick observations-because in this game, details matter. Tiny tweaks, little shifts, that’s what separates the wolves from the sheep, the closers from the pretenders.

So let’s tighten it up, sharpen the edges, and take this thing to Lambo heaven!

1. ?Nebius vs. Hyperscalers? Different Game, Different League.

Look, Nebius isn’t here to throw hands with Microsoft or AWS-not in the same way, at least. And if you even mention CoreWeave in the same breath, you just proved my point. Microsoft isn’t throwing $10 billion into CoreWeave because they’re some kind of untouchable AI overlords-nah, it’s because they need their infrastructure.

And while we’re talking numbers, CoreWeave is sitting on a fat $13 BILLION in debt-yeah, you heard me right. Compare that to Nebius chilling with $3 billion in the war chest, ready to play the long game. Meanwhile, the guys running CoreWeave? Finance bros turned crypto bros. Nebius is led by Russian engineers with decades of experience building.. GPU clusters, among other things. They already built a $30+ billion company in relatively small markets.

Wrote about this already, read up:

LINK

2. Nvidia, SoundHound, and the Bigger Picture.

Yeah, Nvidia dumped SoundHound shares-but don’t get it twisted, they’re still working with them. But SoundCloud is a voice AI platform, not an AI cloud provider. Their importance in the Nvidia ecosystem wasn't ever meant to be overly heavy. On the other hand, Nvidia’s relationship with Nebius runs deep.

Arkady, Nebius’s CEO, has a 15+ year history with Nvidia. Before 2022, his old company Yandex was Nvidia’s biggest European GPU buyer.

This is ecosystem building, people. Nvidia needs Nebius, and others like them, to thrive-because Big Tech is hellbent on making their own GPUs. If you think Huang’s endgame is just to sell as many chips today as possible and ride off into the sunset, you’re missing the f*cking point.

Vision. Long-term dominance. That’s the play.

3. American $$$ Loves Nebius.

And for all the talk about sad Russians vs. real American dollars, take a good hard look at Nebius’s institutional holders:

LINK

Orbis and Accel? They led the private round Nvidia was in. These aren’t some no-name backers-this is serious institutional money, and it’s betting big on Nebius.

4. Let’s talk pricing.

Nebius is sitting on $3 billion in cash. But here’s where it gets spicy-they’re not just an AI infrastructure play. They’ve got three other businesses under their belt:

Toloka AI – data labeling, not exactly sexy, but it’s steady cash flow.

TripleTen – an edtech platform, again, not setting the world on fire, but it’s a functional asset.

Avride – now this is where it gets interesting. Self-driving vehicles, delivery automation, and multiple partnerships with Uber across the US. They’ve already clocked 10+ million miles on the road, and by all metrics, right now this thing could be sold for double what Nebius put into it-a cool $1 billion off a $500 million investment.

Stack these up? That’s about $1.5 billion in business value outside of core AI infrastructure. Now, don’t forget Nebius owns a 30% stake in ClickHouse. And if you don’t know ClickHouse, you’re living under a rock. This thing is everywhere. That stake alone? Easily worth $500 million.

So let’s do the math:

-$3 billion in cash -$2 billion in business assets (Avride, Toloka, TripleTen, ClickHouse stake) -That’s $5 billion in hard, tangible value. And here’s the kicker-that’s half their current valuation. You’re telling me there’s no upside here? Wake up.
This post was edited on 2/18/25 at 8:13 pm
Posted by jefforize
Member since Feb 2008
45716 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 8:39 pm to
Interesting discussion for sure.

I felt it important to remind everyone, mainly myself, that we are up 50%-100% on a company none of us even heard of until 2025. And a major catalyst is coming (Feb 20) . And it has 2x’d since Deepseek (3 weeks ago, $24 intra day low). And IV is currently 130%

Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23498 posts
Posted on 2/18/25 at 9:00 pm to
I think that the write up was probably AI…

But yes, you’re absolutely right. Everyone has a decision to make. I will not sell any shares prior because I believe in management’s ability to execute.

They will definitely report a loss in 2024 and they definitely spent A TON of money in Q4 alone. The lack of news leading up to earnings and the increase in institutional investors is something to be optimistic about.
You don’t want the company pumping the stock price before earnings. It’s a bad look.


Posted by astonvilla
New Jersey
Member since Dec 2005
3441 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 6:26 am to
honestly thats a good write up. 10B valuation for a loss making company is crazy. but we are betting on future and hopefully this works.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23498 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 6:53 am to
“Write a stock DD on NBIS that makes me sound judiciously aware of the risk involved even though I own the stock and also disparages managements redemption story using Russian stereotypes”

He probably used something like this as his base.
Posted by astonvilla
New Jersey
Member since Dec 2005
3441 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 7:10 am to
owning the stock also gives a reality feeling of his thoughts.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23498 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 8:23 am to
Pre market price action indicates cold feet.
Let's see where the buyers are willing to come in...
Posted by astonvilla
New Jersey
Member since Dec 2005
3441 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 9:04 am to
hopefully a healthy correction because it has run up quite a bit.
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23498 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 9:07 am to
quote:

hopefully a healthy correction because it has run up quite a bit.

I think we'll know soon. Note the gap fill. We want to see it bounce of the line.
Posted by LChama
Member since May 2020
3320 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 9:45 am to
Any body catch that dip?
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23498 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 9:47 am to
quote:

Any body catch that dip?

Lowered cost basis on 3/21 calls from 5.70 (bought yesterday) to 5.05
Now I'm green.
Posted by Screaming Viking
Member since Jul 2013
5602 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:29 am to
quote:

bayoubengals88


worth adding some shares before Q4 reports tomorrow?
Posted by bayoubengals88
LA
Member since Sep 2007
23498 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:36 am to
quote:

worth adding some shares before Q4 reports tomorrow?

I saw an intraday opportunity around 44.92 as indicated above. Bought calls and sold them for a quick 20%
I'll be sitting out the rest of the day.

Only you can answer your question.
I think that anything between 35 and 65 is possible tomorrow.
Posted by meeple
Carcassonne
Member since May 2011
10844 posts
Posted on 2/19/25 at 10:57 am to
Of course I got tied up this morning and missed tDip
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