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re: Loyola Law School
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:22 pm to TortiousTiger
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:22 pm to TortiousTiger
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i'm pretty sure you have a distorted view of pay because you have a higher paying job.
No, I have my view because I was offered by four different firms in four different cities and the I know what around 40 of my fellow graduates are being paid.
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I've discussed this throughly ad nauseum with career services before.
Take my advice, other than allowing firms to come into the Center to interview, career services is basically worthless.
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Top pay in BR-90k
Right for the most part.
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top in nola-100k
It can get higher, but its close
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top in lafayette-75k
Its actually 85K
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there is no midrange in 70-80.
My paycheck begs to differ. In fact, most first year associates I know make within this range.
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in fact there is a pretty big drop all the way down to 50-60, maybe 65k
Again, this isn't right.
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Smaller plaintiffs firms, you could be talking a base pay of all the way down to 35-42k
Most plaintiff's firms actually don't offer a base salary past 6 months.
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:23 pm to kfizzle85
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She said the avg starting salary in nola is much closer to 40 than it is to 60 or 70.
Average? This is flat out wrong.
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:26 pm to 610man
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Moss and Tiger, what is your overall advice or opinion on entering law school now or in the next few years?
If you definitely want to go , then enter now. You have to remember that a JD is the most versatile graduate degree that you can have, so I wouldn't put it off unless there was a really good reason.
I have several friends that said they were going to wait for a few years and, at five years out of undergrad, none of them will be going. Not to say they aren't a lot of people who worked for a few years before, but the vast majority of the class will be right out of undergrad.
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:28 pm to Antonio Moss
Agreed, I have been out for 5 years now, and it will be 6 if I go because I will be entering the Fall of 2010. I have always wanted to go, however, the thought of that amount of debt does way heavy on the mind.
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:30 pm to Antonio Moss
moss, i'm not going to get into a pissing match with you, but this statement qualifies you as being in the vast minority:
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You have to remember that a JD is the most versatile graduate degree that you can have, so I wouldn't put it off unless there was a really good reason.
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:31 pm to 610man
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It does suck. But if you've been working for five years and have some saved up, then there is no reason to have more than $60,000 coming out of LSU.
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hat amount of debt does way heavy on the mind.
It does suck. But if you've been working for five years and have some saved up, then there is no reason to have more than $60,000 coming out of LSU.
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:34 pm to Antonio Moss
I have been in College athleics, so don't have much saved up, wish I did, oh well, another question, I have a few friends who are lawyers now and a few have told me not to worry about where I go, as in going to Southern over say Loyola as to not acrue so much debt, because my friends should be able to help me get a job or an interview somewhere, how valid do you think that is, that line of thought.
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:34 pm to TortiousTiger
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moss, i'm not going to get into a pissing match with you, but this statement qualifies you as being in the vast minority:
Would you care to explain your position?
This post was edited on 3/17/09 at 11:44 pm
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:36 pm to Antonio Moss
if you want to do something other than practice law, you would be better served by gaining three years of experience in that field and not burdening yourself with debt that may force you into taking a higher paying job which you arent happy with.
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:39 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:42 pm to kfizzle85
Average, will definitely be closer to 60-70.
While some young lawyers (i.e., ADAs, and some real small PI firm folks) will make around 40. Not many are making less, and there are plenty starting out around 100.
While some young lawyers (i.e., ADAs, and some real small PI firm folks) will make around 40. Not many are making less, and there are plenty starting out around 100.
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:43 pm to TortiousTiger
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if you want to do something other than practice law, you would be better served by gaining three years of experience in that field and not burdening yourself with debt that may force you into taking a higher paying job which you arent happy with.
Okay, but what does any of this have to do with a JD being the most versatile graduate degree you can obtain?
I understand what you are trying to say; its just irrelevant as it concerns the benefit of having a JD.
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:46 pm to Antonio Moss
I presume you meant that the degree gives you versitility. Was I mistaken?
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:47 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Plenty? What kind of percentage do you think?
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:48 pm to 610man
Well, I wouldn't risk going to Southern on the promise that your friends can get you an interview. Senior partners make hiring decisions not associates. If I were you, I'd try like hell to get into LSU and if you don't, then I'd weigh how much you want to be a lawyer against the amount of debt you're going to incur.
Some people come out of Southern and do great, but everything is boils down to statistics and you are statistically more likely to fail the bar or get a lower quality job coming out of Southern.
Some people come out of Southern and do great, but everything is boils down to statistics and you are statistically more likely to fail the bar or get a lower quality job coming out of Southern.
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:50 pm to kfizzle85
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Plenty? What kind of percentage do you think?
What % get a job in six figures in LA out of law school? 2% maybe...
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:54 pm to TortiousTiger
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I presume you meant that the degree gives you versitility. Was I mistaken?
I qualified it with "graduate" meaning of all the graduate degrees one can obtain, a JD will give them the most versatility in the working world.
Also, your example of three years of work experience, while lending itself to less debt, doesn't lend itself to versatility. If I spent three years gaining experience in how to fix watches, then, at the end of the day, I can only fix watches. Compare that to three years of law school which allows you to either practice law, enter the business world, or go into politics.
So I would disagree with your disagreement of my assessment.
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:54 pm to Antonio Moss
Agreed, and that is my plan
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:54 pm to TortiousTiger
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What % get a job in six figures in LA out of law school? 2% maybe...
I said around 100 (meaning, I suppose 90-100). Much more than 2% of grads are making that right out, or shortly thereafter. More than are making less than 40k, in New Orleans, I can assure you.
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:57 pm to Antonio Moss
if you're fixing watches for three years, can you not go into business or politics?
Sure, being in the watch fixing business for three years didnt help you learn how to create an LLC, but it did teach you how to prepare a balance sheet.
Wouldnt an MBA be even more beneficial?
Sure, being in the watch fixing business for three years didnt help you learn how to create an LLC, but it did teach you how to prepare a balance sheet.
Wouldnt an MBA be even more beneficial?
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