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re: Loyola Law School

Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:22 pm to
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49053 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:22 pm to
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i'm pretty sure you have a distorted view of pay because you have a higher paying job.


No, I have my view because I was offered by four different firms in four different cities and the I know what around 40 of my fellow graduates are being paid.

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I've discussed this throughly ad nauseum with career services before.


Take my advice, other than allowing firms to come into the Center to interview, career services is basically worthless.

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Top pay in BR-90k


Right for the most part.

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top in nola-100k


It can get higher, but its close

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top in lafayette-75k


Its actually 85K

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there is no midrange in 70-80.


My paycheck begs to differ. In fact, most first year associates I know make within this range.

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in fact there is a pretty big drop all the way down to 50-60, maybe 65k


Again, this isn't right.

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Smaller plaintiffs firms, you could be talking a base pay of all the way down to 35-42k


Most plaintiff's firms actually don't offer a base salary past 6 months.

Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109600 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:23 pm to
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She said the avg starting salary in nola is much closer to 40 than it is to 60 or 70.


Average? This is flat out wrong.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49053 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:26 pm to
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Moss and Tiger, what is your overall advice or opinion on entering law school now or in the next few years?


If you definitely want to go , then enter now. You have to remember that a JD is the most versatile graduate degree that you can have, so I wouldn't put it off unless there was a really good reason.

I have several friends that said they were going to wait for a few years and, at five years out of undergrad, none of them will be going. Not to say they aren't a lot of people who worked for a few years before, but the vast majority of the class will be right out of undergrad.
Posted by 610man
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
8201 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:28 pm to
Agreed, I have been out for 5 years now, and it will be 6 if I go because I will be entering the Fall of 2010. I have always wanted to go, however, the thought of that amount of debt does way heavy on the mind.
Posted by TortiousTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2007
12668 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:30 pm to
moss, i'm not going to get into a pissing match with you, but this statement qualifies you as being in the vast minority:

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You have to remember that a JD is the most versatile graduate degree that you can have, so I wouldn't put it off unless there was a really good reason.


Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49053 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:31 pm to
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hat amount of debt does way heavy on the mind.


It does suck. But if you've been working for five years and have some saved up, then there is no reason to have more than $60,000 coming out of LSU.
Posted by 610man
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
8201 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:34 pm to
I have been in College athleics, so don't have much saved up, wish I did, oh well, another question, I have a few friends who are lawyers now and a few have told me not to worry about where I go, as in going to Southern over say Loyola as to not acrue so much debt, because my friends should be able to help me get a job or an interview somewhere, how valid do you think that is, that line of thought.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49053 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:34 pm to
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moss, i'm not going to get into a pissing match with you, but this statement qualifies you as being in the vast minority:


Would you care to explain your position?
This post was edited on 3/17/09 at 11:44 pm
Posted by TortiousTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2007
12668 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:36 pm to
if you want to do something other than practice law, you would be better served by gaining three years of experience in that field and not burdening yourself with debt that may force you into taking a higher paying job which you arent happy with.

Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:39 pm to
I'm not a lawyer, its secondhand information. What would you suggest the number is then?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109600 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:42 pm to
Average, will definitely be closer to 60-70.

While some young lawyers (i.e., ADAs, and some real small PI firm folks) will make around 40. Not many are making less, and there are plenty starting out around 100.
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49053 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:43 pm to
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if you want to do something other than practice law, you would be better served by gaining three years of experience in that field and not burdening yourself with debt that may force you into taking a higher paying job which you arent happy with.


Okay, but what does any of this have to do with a JD being the most versatile graduate degree you can obtain?

I understand what you are trying to say; its just irrelevant as it concerns the benefit of having a JD.
Posted by TortiousTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2007
12668 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:46 pm to
I presume you meant that the degree gives you versitility. Was I mistaken?

Posted by kfizzle85
Member since Dec 2005
22022 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:47 pm to
Plenty? What kind of percentage do you think?
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49053 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:48 pm to
Well, I wouldn't risk going to Southern on the promise that your friends can get you an interview. Senior partners make hiring decisions not associates. If I were you, I'd try like hell to get into LSU and if you don't, then I'd weigh how much you want to be a lawyer against the amount of debt you're going to incur.

Some people come out of Southern and do great, but everything is boils down to statistics and you are statistically more likely to fail the bar or get a lower quality job coming out of Southern.
Posted by TortiousTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2007
12668 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:50 pm to
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Plenty? What kind of percentage do you think?


What % get a job in six figures in LA out of law school? 2% maybe...
Posted by Antonio Moss
The South
Member since Mar 2006
49053 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:54 pm to
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I presume you meant that the degree gives you versitility. Was I mistaken?


I qualified it with "graduate" meaning of all the graduate degrees one can obtain, a JD will give them the most versatility in the working world.

Also, your example of three years of work experience, while lending itself to less debt, doesn't lend itself to versatility. If I spent three years gaining experience in how to fix watches, then, at the end of the day, I can only fix watches. Compare that to three years of law school which allows you to either practice law, enter the business world, or go into politics.

So I would disagree with your disagreement of my assessment.
Posted by 610man
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
8201 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:54 pm to
Agreed, and that is my plan
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109600 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:54 pm to
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What % get a job in six figures in LA out of law school? 2% maybe...


I said around 100 (meaning, I suppose 90-100). Much more than 2% of grads are making that right out, or shortly thereafter. More than are making less than 40k, in New Orleans, I can assure you.
Posted by TortiousTiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2007
12668 posts
Posted on 3/17/09 at 11:57 pm to
if you're fixing watches for three years, can you not go into business or politics?

Sure, being in the watch fixing business for three years didnt help you learn how to create an LLC, but it did teach you how to prepare a balance sheet.

Wouldnt an MBA be even more beneficial?
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