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Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:39 am to
Posted by wasteland
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Posted on 7/1/14 at 10:39 am to
also...

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First thing first is to get the correct death benefit number. Have the guy you meet with do a death benefit calculation with you. Everything else beyond that is just semantics really
Posted by LSU_CRAIGERS
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Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:33 am to
Calling GoCrazyAuburn:

Just jumped on here because i have been meeting with an advisor. they are trying to sell me on WL and term insurance. I believe they primarily work through Penn, who they say will let you convert your term to WL as I want (when and how much). I don't know if they are blowing smoke or if this is a good idea. My wife and I have a 20 month old and another on the way. They did a death cost analysis and if either myself or my wife died soon, i think both of us would need about $800,000 give or take. Both of us are 28 and in good health. I don't know if you need more info. Both new to this whole thing and would like the best decision for the family. Thanks for any info you can provide
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:52 am to
Skip the whole and UL. Get the term. Make sure it's fully underwritten if your build chart, health factors are good. At 28 years, I would definitely consider the 30 year term. 10 years income gross income is the lazy rule of thumb, but a great agent will really dig to find the "correct" face value. Make sure the monthly premium doesn't effect your quality of life, it should be an amount you can afford. Use Zander as a comparison tool, then call an agent and let him know what you want. Literally say "I want a 30 year term for 650k, fully underwritten, best possible price ". Make sure to give him ACCURATE information about your health, risk factors, family history, etc. Companies will often "rate you up". They will tell you they expect it to cost you 61 a month and they will come back and say actually it's 87 based on something they found out after the initial premium quote.

As for whole, at 28 I'd skip that and invest the extra money yourself in a more traditional way (401k, IRA etc). I'd also skip the return of premium option that is often available.Good luck.
Posted by LSU_CRAIGERS
SLC UT
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Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:14 pm to
i have a 401 a through work that contributes 14.2%. I am looking into a 401 b or a 457 b plan but not sure much about the differences. Also anything else that you would do or change knowing this? Just trying to do whats best. Thanks again for any and all info
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:40 pm to
quote:

I am looking into a 401 b or a 457 b plan but not sure much about the differences.


With rare exceptions, your insurance guy is not the guy to ask about this, imho. Based on your age, 401 info, etc, I'd say a term policy is the way to go at your age regardless of what you do with the 401/457. Again, remember to not only get the face value and term length correct, but also the monthly premium amount. You have to be able to afford that as your personal situation evolves over time. People who pay too much, often cancel policies, defeating the entire purpose of the policy. And many people are ridiculously over-insured. Even more of course, are under-insured. Remember, 10/20 years down the road, provided you are reasonably healthy, you can always get a smaller policy. You may be making three times the income then. People buy (short) term life policies well into their late 60's believe it or not, to manage risk.

Also, the odds of a person in their 20's dying is heavily skewed towards accidental death. You can usually get additional accidental death for next to nothing, often as a rider on the main policy. You could get for instance, 200k of accidental for maybe 10-15 extra bucks or so. This is a popular option for a guy in his 20's.

Also as the expert above says, strongly consider long term disability and maybe even a critical illness policy that pays a lump sum for cancer/heart attack/stroke etc. These are often also available as a rider to the policy.
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:51 pm to
Check out this thread LINK


Some people are different but I honestly think it's good to have WL in a portfolio in addition to 401k, Roths, etc. Just another income stream for retirement. Guaranteed floor of 4.5% return with Northwestern Mutual. To me you are protecting yourself against the market fluctuations. A lot of negative returns this past year. I want to have something that gives me a guarantee. A lot of people say forget it because they don't understand but you pay the premium build up cash value after 10 years you start getting a decent return and built up of a sizable amount of cash savings in addition to having a death benefit. Eventually the premium will pay itself with the increased dividends you get each year and you can decide to keep stocking more cash into it or just let the dividend pay for it.
Posted by Lsupimp
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Posted on 1/15/16 at 12:57 pm to
quote:

Some people are different but I honestly think it's good to have WL in a portfolio in addition to 401k, Roths, etc


You skipped term insurance. I assume you mean that too? WL in addition to term?
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 1/15/16 at 1:03 pm to
Yes the term included in the WL policy. Need a term amount to convert to WL.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 1:04 pm
Posted by LSU_CRAIGERS
SLC UT
Member since May 2012
487 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 1:05 pm to
quote:

Guaranteed floor of 4.5% return with Northwestern Mutual.


With Penn, sounds like the floor is 1% and ceiling of 12%. Can you turn term to WL with Northwestern Mutual? I think that was the selling point for my advisor... that Penn allows you to convert term to WL during the term... i may be way off base here tho..
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 1/15/16 at 1:13 pm to
With GCA suggestions of insurance companies he thinks its NW, New York Life or Mass Mutual for the best products.

To answer your question I believe you are correct. Yes, I started with term 80 then you set up a WL policy(called 65 to Life with NW) and you can convert up to that term policy total amount. Say you have a $1MM policy term, you can only convert up to $1MM.

Again I know its not for everybody. Its best to start young though so the premium isn't as much. I started my policy at 27. People don't like to see a large amount go to an insurance company each month but you have to think of it as future supplement retirement income. I didn't like it the first year or two but now I'm seeing my cash value build up and its nice to see.
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 1:15 pm
Posted by LSU_CRAIGERS
SLC UT
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 1/15/16 at 1:35 pm to
thanks again for your input!

Is there a way to see and compare the floor and ceiling return rates on investments? like at a glance? or would i have to talk to each individual company?
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
17244 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 2:23 pm to
Not sure about that I just know what NW does since I have my policies with them. You may have to talk individually. Maybe GCA or someone else can steer you to a site but I haven't seen one.
Posted by LSU_CRAIGERS
SLC UT
Member since May 2012
487 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 2:41 pm to
Is the 4.5% floor for everyone? Do you know what it is capped at?
Posted by iknowmorethanyou
Paydirt
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:02 pm to
They're quoting you Indexed UL with Penn I'm almost certain. The 12% cap is low. The top dogs are around 13.5%. That's works out to about a .60% spread over your lifetime. In life insurance performance terms, that is statistically significant.
Posted by AUtigerNOLA
New Orleans, LA
Member since Apr 2011
17244 posts
Posted on 1/15/16 at 3:15 pm to
Floor guaranteed rate of return is 4.5% for me with NW and I believe that is for everyone. He said they legally have to say the floor is 4.5% but really its about 5.25%. There is no cap with NW but I doubt it would ever get extremely high. I think he said it was over 12% in the past. I'm really just wanted a respectable return. Use investment accts or Roth to shoot for bigger returns.
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