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re: Investing in Residential Real Estate

Posted on 3/29/12 at 10:58 am to
Posted by BigBoyTiger
Cleveland
Member since Aug 2005
9578 posts
Posted on 3/29/12 at 10:58 am to
I agree.

I think my problem is just capital.

I have a good financial and accounting skills (I work for a bank in commercial lending and am a reigstered CPA). I just need capital.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38437 posts
Posted on 3/29/12 at 11:07 am to
I'm a small time residential investor and am slowly moving to commercial. The commercial deals I see sometimes are hard for me to even believe.

example: An investor friend of mine just purchased a bank building situated on 2 acres in our central business district. Let me repeat that. 2 ACRES IN THE CBD.

Paid $1,000,000 for it. The existing tenant will cash flow it for him. It was just appraised at $3,000,000.

Once you get some capital you can make moves like that.

This property was on the market for less than 24 hours.
Posted by Tigersfan
Member since Feb 2006
2694 posts
Posted on 3/29/12 at 11:22 am to
quote:

I'm a small time residential investor and am slowly moving to commercial. The commercial deals I see sometimes are hard for me to even believe. example: An investor friend of mine just purchased a bank building situated on 2 acres in our central business district. Let me repeat that. 2 ACRES IN THE CBD. Paid $1,000,000 for it. The existing tenant will cash flow it for him. It was just appraised at $3,000,000. Once you get some capital you can make moves like that. This property was on the market for less than 24 hours.


You find anything else out there like this let me know! While I don't personally have acces to capital like that, I know someone that does.I'll send you a nice little finders fee!
Posted by BigBoyTiger
Cleveland
Member since Aug 2005
9578 posts
Posted on 3/29/12 at 11:28 am to
quote:

I'm a small time residential investor


What types of properties do you typically buy?
Posted by MoreOrLes
Member since Nov 2008
19472 posts
Posted on 3/29/12 at 12:06 pm to
I think there will be a flood of Commercial real estate repos coming over the next 3 years.

Rents have not increased, over head has and property values have dropped because of it. As their loan matures owners will have a difficult decision. Put more equity into the property from their pockets or surrender.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38437 posts
Posted on 3/29/12 at 12:27 pm to
quote:

What types of properties do you typically buy?


I've flipped townhouses and small single family homes. That is pretty easy to be honest. I need to do more of those.

Right now I own a quadplex and a small townhouse I live in.

A family friend of mine specializes in office/warehouse properties and he has agreed to walk me though a few deals till I get the hang of it. He owns over 200 in north Alabama. Just trying to save up a little more capital.

In my opinion, real estate is the easiest way to accumulate wealth. It isn't rocket science. You just have to read and learn. If you can find a mentor who is successful its pretty much fool proof. The people who fail are usually guilty of overextending themselves and not in touch with market conditions.

Posted by BigBoyTiger
Cleveland
Member since Aug 2005
9578 posts
Posted on 3/29/12 at 1:02 pm to
quote:

I've flipped townhouses and small single family homes. That is pretty easy to be honest. I need to do more of those.


I think this is where I'm interested starting. There's some properties on the outskirts of Chicago that are very affordable...like $20,000 or so. I'd have to get a feel for the neighborhood (safety, etc) but some of these properties are by public transportation which is a huge plus.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38437 posts
Posted on 3/29/12 at 2:02 pm to
Just be very picky about what you buy. That is 95% of the deal.

I look for properties that just need cosmetic work. New (basic) landscaping, paint, flooring, appliances maybe even windows and a roof. I want to price it slightly below market so it sells fast.

Look to make $15,000 plus on each flip. Not a ton of cash but it is easy cash. Id rather take an easy 15k than be stressed out and work hard for 30k.

Also look at auctions. I missed out on a duplex about 3 months ago that rents for $400 a unit. It sold for 10k at auction.
Posted by BigBoyTiger
Cleveland
Member since Aug 2005
9578 posts
Posted on 3/29/12 at 2:34 pm to
I've been looking at properties on auction.com. Seems to have quite a few out there.
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38437 posts
Posted on 3/29/12 at 5:17 pm to
quote:

I've been looking at properties on auction.com. Seems to have quite a few out there.



local auctioneers and a friend with access to the MLS will be your best source of information about upcoming auctions.
Posted by K E V 8 4
Member since Jul 2010
626 posts
Posted on 3/30/12 at 11:28 am to
I'm new to it and have been doing it for just about a year. Houston-area. We have 5 rental homes (we're not house flippers). We are aiming for houses around 100K value in the lower priced area of a master-planned community (i.e., good schools, etc). I have found the market to be fairly efficient - i.e., not a lot of margin for the flip/sell currently. I'm sure I'm missing some good deals, but buy and large I try to get a rent of at least 1.05-1.1% of the market value of the house. If you do this, the cash-on-cash return is on the order of 7-8%. The leveraged return (using a mortgage) can be on the order of 10-12%. This is using fairly conservatve assumptions (i.e., no "real" [higher than inflation] appreciation in house value).

We do not use a property management company yet - I'm trying to get the wife to take that on. Figure your all-in costs to include property taxes, insurance, 1.5% of value for maintenance, plus the loan, if applicable. Look for big ticket expense items (roof, HVAC, foundation) that can chew up your investment.

Buy a couple of books. If you're going to rent, use standardized lease forms. For example, I use the Texas Assoc of Realtors for the lease app, etc.

Another thing and one which I learned after we had taken the plunge. If you want to do a conventional mortgage, the most you can reasonably do is 4, including your primary residence. And the terms of the loan, typically require a "healthy" downpayment of about 20-25%.

My main purpose in doing this is to diversify away from stocks/bonds with a tangible investment in an underlying asset (the house) that should at least track inflation. Home prices and interest rates are low (a 15-yr note on a nonoccupied investment home is probably on the order of 4-5%), so it is a good time to enter.

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