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Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:53 am to
Posted by Billy Blanks
Member since Dec 2021
4989 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 8:53 am to
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Be lucky you not self employed then health insurance gets freakin stupid crazy



Nothing chaps my butt more than those insurance ads about how 80% or whatever of those on the marketplace get assistance.

Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
21422 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:43 am to
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This doesn’t happen to people who do cost sharing?!


Correct. Health cost sharing doesn't have "networks." You get to pick your doctor and pay in cash.
Posted by Sir Saint
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Member since Jun 2010
5469 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 9:58 am to
Surprise bills can't happen for those who pay cash, never knew this. Also I guess you're right, no such thing as a prior auth when you're gonna pay $1,000 per month cash for a branded medication that has no generic alternative.
Posted by tigerforever7
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2012
1205 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 10:57 am to
Of course Medishare does not have networks. Medishare is simply a pot of money paid into by people in "faith" the pot will pay out if claims are needed. Medishare has no formal requirement to pay out claims and is not backed by re-insurance or the government. You put your health and financial risk in the hands of the church and prayer. Some people believe in that.
Posted by Hopeful Doc
Member since Sep 2010
15388 posts
Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:44 pm to
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definitely don't think I'm bulletproof and realize that I'm getting older, but 400 dollars per month for some half-arse plan with a 7,000 deductible seems questionable. What are the pros and cons? What would you do?



Sounds like it’s probably a high deductible plan

If so, I would max out an HSA each year until I had 2x family deductible in it


If not, I’d have a “health emergency fund” in some account somewhere that was stable. Again, I’d want about 2x deductible sitting there.


Now, the crazy strategy:
Intentionally get high deductible plan that covers family
Max HSA annually in somewhere that has no fees and maximizes investments (I use Lively. There are other good ones. I think HSA Bank is the other really good option. Haven’t looked in years because 0 fees and TD Ameritrade backend are good enough for me)
Keep all healthcare receipts
Keep all funds maximally invested
Pay all expenses in cash



Then:
Use receipts for tax-free withdrawals in retirement
Use enormous fund for healthcare costs in retirement (tax free!)
When you stay healthy and have a small treasure trove, treat it like an IRA (you can withdraw penalty-free in retirement and pay taxes on distributions as if they were regular income.

A strategy that I frequently suggest to the young, healthy is look at the difference between a “good” health insurance plan and this. Invest the difference in premiums over the life of the plan. Barring probably hitting your deductible in consecutive years early on or developing a healthcare need/problem within 5y, you’ll come out ahead.
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