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Grayscale EFTs for Etherium and Bitcoin

Posted on 11/8/24 at 1:57 pm
Posted by AuburnTigers
Member since Aug 2013
14118 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 1:57 pm
Some of the tickers are ETH, IBIT and BTC. Can someone explain these EFTs to me like 5 year old?


Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38300 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 2:20 pm to
Imagine you like cookies (and who doesn’t, right?). Now, there are different kinds of cookies like chocolate chip, oatmeal, or peanut butter.

In the world of investing, there are different “cookies” too, but instead of cookies, we’re talking about cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin (BTC) and Ethereum (ETH).

Now, here’s where it gets fun with ETFs (Exchange-Traded Funds):

What is an ETF?

Think of an ETF like a cookie jar ?? that holds these special cookies. Instead of you having to buy the ingredients (or the cookies) yourself, someone else has already put them in the jar for you.

So, when you buy a slice of that cookie jar (called a share of the ETF), you’re basically getting a tiny bit of whatever cookies are inside it without having to go through all the trouble of baking them yourself.

Now, what about these specific ETFs?

1. BTC ETF (like IBIT) :
• This is like a jar filled with Bitcoin cookies only. Instead of buying and storing a whole Bitcoin yourself (which can be expensive), you can just buy a share of the jar (IBIT), and you get a little piece of Bitcoin that way.
2. ETH ETF (like ETH):
• Same idea, but with Ethereum cookies. The ETF does the work of buying Ethereum and keeping it safe for you. You just buy a slice of the jar (ETH), and now you own a bit of Ethereum.
3. IBIT ETF:
• This is another type of Bitcoin jar. It’s similar to the BTC ETF above but maybe with a different brand or flavor—like how you might get different brands of chocolate chip cookies.

Why use an ETF instead of buying the actual cookies?

• Convenience: It’s easier and simpler, especially if you don’t want to deal with figuring out where to store your cookies (like getting a wallet for your Bitcoin).
• Safety: If someone breaks into your kitchen (hacks your account), they can’t steal your cookies since they’re locked safely in the ETF jar.
• Less messy: You don’t have to worry about crumbs (or the complexities of crypto exchanges).

In short, ETFs are just an easier way to get your hands on some Bitcoin or Ethereum “cookies” without the fuss of buying and managing them yourself!
This post was edited on 11/8/24 at 2:22 pm
Posted by AuburnTigers
Member since Aug 2013
14118 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 2:50 pm to
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
47256 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 3:49 pm to
I Love Bama did an excellent job of explaining ETFS, he did leave out one issue that I think should be addressed.

Fees!!

Please look at fees when making decisions on long term investing in funds like Grayscale BTC (GBTC) which has expense ratio of 1.5%, which does not sound like a lot. But over a long period of time it is a lot.

Most specialized funds like things that invest in certain sectors generally carry much higher fees than what you can get in a passive broad index fund which you can find fees literally zero (FZROX) or 0.03% (VOO).

Generally it is hard to beat the overall market, and fees generally ensure that you will under perform the broad market

Posted by bulldog95
North Louisiana
Member since Jan 2011
21030 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 7:35 pm to
Which EFT would be a good one to invest in or all of them basically the same just different types of coins


If not grayscale what other platforms are good. Ishares ETHA?
This post was edited on 11/8/24 at 8:01 pm
Posted by AuburnTigers
Member since Aug 2013
14118 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 8:06 pm to
I want to say the ETH etf doesnt apply fees to the first 20 billion invested then it goes to .0015 iirc. Not sure if they have reached that mark yet

Both BTC and ETH are recent IPOs.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
81667 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 8:17 pm to
FBTC or IBIT are the 2 biggest
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
6855 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 8:22 pm to
The only lesson I’ve learned from crypto is that whenever I say to myself “I should really be buying some of that,” it’s already too late.
Posted by AuburnTigers
Member since Aug 2013
14118 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 9:39 pm to
quote:


The only lesson I’ve learned from crypto is that whenever I say to myself “I should really be buying some of that,” it’s already too late.
True, which is why i targeted the new IPOs BTC and ETH

Still a LOT of growth potential in the coming years
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
47256 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 8:38 am to
quote:

True, which is why i targeted the new IPOs BTC and ETH


I understand what you are trying to say, but when ETFs are created they are not considered IPOs.

In the case of the underlying security, BTC has been around 16 years and ETH almost a decade.

I think they are running out of greater fools to invest, retail is dead. That's why they desperately wanted the ETFs to try to tap into retirement accounts of people who generally being lead by advisors.

The idea that these things are some sort of revolutionary money solution is long dead
Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
40524 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 9:30 am to
quote:

The only lesson I’ve learned from crypto is that whenever I say to myself “I should really be buying some of that,” it’s already too late.


Most people don’t buy until the news starts talking about crypto. It’s well known in the crypto space that by then, it’s time to start selling.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
81667 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 1:07 pm to
How much longer will it have to go before dying for you to consider it valid?
Posted by I Love Bama
Alabama
Member since Nov 2007
38300 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 3:29 pm to
quote:

How much longer will it have to go before dying for you to consider it valid?


curious to hear his answer as well.
Posted by AuburnTigers
Member since Aug 2013
14118 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 4:09 pm to
quote:

I understand what you are trying to say, but when ETFs are created they are not considered IPOs.
I can tell you for certain, that these are IPOs. Why? Because i use Finfiz and use the filter to just show IPOs and the companies i listed show up.

The underlying security has been around, but the ETFs Initial Public Offering, ie IPO was this year. Not sure if you knew that
Posted by Art Blakey
Member since Aug 2023
279 posts
Posted on 11/9/24 at 11:05 pm to
Nacho keys, nacho cheese.
Posted by UltimaParadox
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2008
47256 posts
Posted on 11/10/24 at 10:19 am to
quote:

How much longer will it have to go before dying for you to consider it valid?


When crypto has a use case besides the greater fool theory and crime.

I see you guys have pretty much settled on store on value, which is hilarious to me to see. The decentralized money of the future to get me out from under the government, has turned into basically I hope giant investment banks and government pump my bags so I can cash out for real money.

This post was edited on 11/10/24 at 10:21 am
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