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Does what happened today scare you?

Posted on 5/6/10 at 7:40 pm
Posted by tammanytiger91
covington
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 5/6/10 at 7:40 pm
Aren't you nervous that a mistake by one smuck causes the DOW to plunge a 1000 points. Is that the definition of a healthy tradable market?
Posted by CamdenTiger
Member since Aug 2009
64584 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 7:41 pm to
Do you mean Obama? Yeah,pretty scared!
Posted by dutchdanish
Reno
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 5/6/10 at 7:47 pm to
quote:


Aren't you nervous that a mistake by one smuck causes the DOW to plunge a 1000 points. Is that the definition of a healthy tradable market?


Today didn't scare me anything like Fall 2008. The extent of it did surprise the hell out of me though.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131348 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 7:52 pm to
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Aren't you nervous that a mistake by one smuck causes the DOW to plunge a 1000 points.
No. One mistake like that every hundred years or so is a pretty good record, IMO.

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Is that the definition of a healthy tradable market?
It proves how liquid the U.S. stock market is. The stock markets in some countries around the world trade fewer than a few thousand or even hundred shares a day. That would NOT be a "healthy tradable market."
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 7:55 pm to
quote:

Aren't you nervous that a mistake by one smuck causes the DOW to plunge a 1000 points. Is that the definition of a healthy tradable market?


I mean it can happen in any market, Warren Buffet can crash every single market in the world in one day if he wanted to, but that's what financial regulations are there for.

If this was anything less than a massive screw up, a lot of people are going to jail for a long time.

That's what keeps people from actually doing this on purpose.
Posted by tammanytiger91
covington
Member since Sep 2006
264 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 7:57 pm to
But maybe it should. If one mistake by one person brings down the house of cards, do you feel confident that money invested in the stock market is a good thing especially for people in retirement accounts? They just got arse f'd a year ago. Do you think they are calling there brokers to get there money out?
Posted by Paul Allen
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 5/6/10 at 7:57 pm to
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37473 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 8:01 pm to
If I was smart enough to comprehend how and what happened and knew the ramnifications of it then I would probably be scared.

It's my understanding that P & G was selling more than what they wanted to, but I don't understand why the Dow would drop a 1000 because of it.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131348 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 8:03 pm to
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If one mistake by one person brings down the house of cards
It didn't. You're being a little drama-queenish, IMO.

quote:

They just got arse f'd a year ago.
You mean a whole year ago? And it that year if they got out of the market they missed one of the biggest up moves in a year in the history of the U.S. stock market.....+70%. And including today, the stock market is down less than 10% from that.

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Do you think they are calling there brokers to get there money out?
Some probably will. On the other hand, if the market opens down big Friday morning, I'm buying. I prefer to buy things when their price is reduced.....including stocks.
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 8:03 pm to
quote:

tammanytiger91


You are acting like this actually could have bankrupted the markets.

Do you understand what actually happened?

I'm not trying to be insulting, but it's pretty clear you don't.

It only takes one trade to decrease the "price" of a stock. if the next trade is normal, then the "price" goes back to normal.

The only people that were hurt here are the retarded people that made those really dumb singular trades. It cannot be sustained over long periods.
Posted by dutchdanish
Reno
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 5/6/10 at 8:05 pm to
quote:

If one mistake by one person brings down the house of cards


There was much more to it than this. Pretty much +1 to what Russian just said.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37473 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 8:09 pm to
I guess we all could have made a killing if we had bought P & G at 2:00 or so?
Posted by tammanytiger91
covington
Member since Sep 2006
264 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 8:11 pm to
I am not talking about people who trade and are in the business. I can tell you my employees knew that market was down big time before I did. so did my patient. These are just average people but they are nervous as hell. I know there are other issues involved, but the average person just sees the headline. There are are way more averge people than informed people like you. Their money is in the market also.
This post was edited on 5/6/10 at 8:13 pm
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 8:13 pm to
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I guess we all could have made a killing if we had bought P & G at 2:00 or so?


That's for the suckers. The real money was in accenture.

LINK

Up 410,800% from it's low today.

Had you invested 1000 dollars at it's low, you would have $4,109,000 right now.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131348 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 8:15 pm to
quote:

It's my understanding that P & G was selling more than what they wanted to,
Not PG the company itself, but someone who put in an order to sell PG stock.

The story as it now stands is the the sell order was magnified by 1,000X. That caused PG to drop...by almost $20...in just one trade or (tick). A one dollar move of any DJ 30 industrials stocks is = approx. 9 points on the DJ average. So with a $20 down move by PG, which is a DJ stock, the Dow Jones average dropped almost 180 points almost instantaneously.

That drop triggered automated (computer) sell programs. It also triggered some long standing "stop loss" orders, driving the DJ down even more. It may have caused some margin calls (meaning some investors who had borrowed money to buy stocks using the stocks as collateral had to sell some stocks to repay the money they borrowed to buy them.)

But it is not clear yet if there were any significant margin calls. But I would not be surprised if there was.

Anyway, when everyone realized it was all due to PG getting killed in what had to be an error trade, people started buying. I tried to buy several stocks but every time I put in a buy order at a limit price, the market had already gone up higher than my limit price.

That is why the market went back up so fast...almost 600 points within 20 minutes.

It was EXCITING!!!
Posted by TheHiddenFlask
The Welsh red light district
Member since Jul 2008
18384 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 8:19 pm to
If anyone actually got a margin call in that 20 minutes, then they should kick their stock broker in the nuts.

Don't the brokers have to give you a certain amount of time to meet the margin call?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131348 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 8:23 pm to
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Don't the brokers have to give you a certain amount of time to meet the margin call?

Probably, but I've never had a margin call (thank goodness) so I really don't know. I remember in the crash of '87 margin calls were being made intra-day but the rules may have changed since then.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
131348 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 8:28 pm to
quote:

I can tell you my employees knew that market was down big time before I did. so did my patient. These are just average people but they are nervous as hell. I know there are other issues involved, but the average person just sees the headline.
In all honesty if someone gets upset when the stock market goes down, they maybe should not be in the stock market. It's not for everyone. But if they would just understand that markets go up and markets go down, they would be better off.
Posted by crimsonsaint
Member since Nov 2009
37473 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 8:31 pm to
quote:

That's for the suckers. The real money was in accenture.

Link

Up 410,800% from it's low today.

Had you invested 1000 dollars at it's low, you would have $4,109,000 right now.



Damn, what caused that?
Posted by dutchdanish
Reno
Member since Aug 2008
2769 posts
Posted on 5/6/10 at 8:34 pm to
quote:

These are just average people but they are nervous as hell. I know there are other issues involved, but the average person just sees the headline.


No doubt about it. This is why I really wish a personal finance class would be mandatory for all high school students. Because even when stocks are down there are still ways to hedge your risks (diversification). For example, the US Dollar (UUP) is roaring at the moment. And, not to summon the shitstorm that is Rivers, but gold (GLD) would be another example of a hedge for those times like today when stocks take a hit. Other commodities like oil, natural gas, wheat, etc. are also included here. Bonds are also a necessity for any retirement portfolio (imo). Proper timing and diversification can assure the average Joe positive annualized returns in the long run.
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