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Bought a House in 2010
Posted on 2/8/11 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 2/8/11 at 12:30 pm
Paid $370,000 for it. Thinking about selling it in 2011. Put about $20,000 into for upgrades. If I sell it for $420,000, that would mean a $50,000 margin. Since it is within the 2 year window, I know that I am supposed to pay taxes on the profit when I do my taxes in 2012. At what rate would that $50,000 be taxed? Also, let me know if my understanding of the law is incorrect. Thanks.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 12:33 pm to Springlake Tiger
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At what rate would that $50,000 be taxed?
I think it's tax as normal income.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 12:37 pm to Springlake Tiger
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If I sell it for $420,000, that would mean a $50,000 margin.
You planning on a fee-free transaction, hoss?
365 days and less = ordinary income
366 - 730 days = capital gains
731+ days = no taxes (if it's your primary residence I believe)
Not sure how the $20K figures in or if you can add that to your basis or not. Paging Poodlebrain.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 12:38 pm to Springlake Tiger
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Paid $370,000 for it. Thinking about selling it in 2011. Put about $20,000 into for upgrades. If I sell it for $420,000, that would mean a $50,000 margin.
You get to include the money you put in for improvements in your total investment so you would be looking at a $30k gain in this case not including purchase and selling costs.
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At what rate would that $50,000 be taxed?
It would be taxed at the capital gains tax rate.
I'll add that I don't see you making a profit on the home in the current market but good luck.
This post was edited on 2/8/11 at 12:42 pm
Posted on 2/8/11 at 12:43 pm to Martavius
what is the capital gains rate?
Posted on 2/8/11 at 12:46 pm to Springlake Tiger
For 2011, the short term rate (less than 1 year) is the equivalent of your individual tax rate. The long term rate is 15%.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 12:48 pm to Springlake Tiger
If you have owned it for more than 1 year, but less than two, I believe it is taxed as long term capital gains which is 15%. Double check with your CPA but I believe that is correct.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 12:57 pm to I Love Bama
best of luck with a 50k profit in one year in the housing market.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 1:00 pm to Martavius
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selling costs.
Which I figure will be at least $17K.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 1:06 pm to Springlake Tiger
From IRS website minus the examples....Not sure what your situation is though.
Maximum Exclusion
You can exclude up to $250,000 of the gain on the sale of your main home if all of the following are true.
You meet the ownership test.
You meet the use test.
During the 2-year period ending on the date of the sale, you did not exclude gain from the sale of another home.
You may be able to exclude up to $500,000 of the gain on the sale of your main home if you are married and file a joint return and meet the requirements listed in the discussion of the special rules for joint returns, later, under Married Persons .
Ownership and Use Tests
To claim the exclusion, you must meet the ownership and use tests. This means that during the 5-year period ending on the date of the sale, you must have:
Owned the home for at least 2 years (the ownership test), and
Lived in the home as your main home for at least 2 years (the use test).
Exception. If you owned and lived in the property as your main home for less than 2 years, you can still claim an exclusion in some cases. The maximum amount you may be able to exclude will be reduced. See Reduced Maximum Exclusion , later.
Period of Ownership and Use
The required 2 years of ownership and use during the 5-year period ending on the date of the sale do not have to be continuous nor do they have to occur at the same time.
You meet the tests if you can show that you owned and lived in the property as your main home for either 24 full months or 730 days (365 × 2) during the 5-year period ending on the date of sale.
Temporary absence. Short temporary absences for vacations or other seasonal absences, even if you rent out the property during the absences, are counted as periods of use. The following examples assume that the reduced maximum exclusion (discussed later) does not apply to the sales.
Reduced Maximum Exclusion
If you fail to meet the requirements to qualify for the $250,000 or $500,000 exclusion, you may still qualify for a reduced exclusion. This applies to those who:
Fail to meet the ownership and use tests, or
Have used the exclusion within 2 years of selling their current home.
In both cases, to qualify for a reduced exclusion, the sale of your main home must be due to one of the following reasons.
A change in place of employment.
Health.
Unforeseen circumstances.
Unforeseen circumstances. The sale of your main home is because of an unforeseen circumstance if your primary reason for the sale is the occurrence of an event that you could not reasonably have anticipated before buying and occupying your main home
Maximum Exclusion
You can exclude up to $250,000 of the gain on the sale of your main home if all of the following are true.
You meet the ownership test.
You meet the use test.
During the 2-year period ending on the date of the sale, you did not exclude gain from the sale of another home.
You may be able to exclude up to $500,000 of the gain on the sale of your main home if you are married and file a joint return and meet the requirements listed in the discussion of the special rules for joint returns, later, under Married Persons .
Ownership and Use Tests
To claim the exclusion, you must meet the ownership and use tests. This means that during the 5-year period ending on the date of the sale, you must have:
Owned the home for at least 2 years (the ownership test), and
Lived in the home as your main home for at least 2 years (the use test).
Exception. If you owned and lived in the property as your main home for less than 2 years, you can still claim an exclusion in some cases. The maximum amount you may be able to exclude will be reduced. See Reduced Maximum Exclusion , later.
Period of Ownership and Use
The required 2 years of ownership and use during the 5-year period ending on the date of the sale do not have to be continuous nor do they have to occur at the same time.
You meet the tests if you can show that you owned and lived in the property as your main home for either 24 full months or 730 days (365 × 2) during the 5-year period ending on the date of sale.
Temporary absence. Short temporary absences for vacations or other seasonal absences, even if you rent out the property during the absences, are counted as periods of use. The following examples assume that the reduced maximum exclusion (discussed later) does not apply to the sales.
Reduced Maximum Exclusion
If you fail to meet the requirements to qualify for the $250,000 or $500,000 exclusion, you may still qualify for a reduced exclusion. This applies to those who:
Fail to meet the ownership and use tests, or
Have used the exclusion within 2 years of selling their current home.
In both cases, to qualify for a reduced exclusion, the sale of your main home must be due to one of the following reasons.
A change in place of employment.
Health.
Unforeseen circumstances.
Unforeseen circumstances. The sale of your main home is because of an unforeseen circumstance if your primary reason for the sale is the occurrence of an event that you could not reasonably have anticipated before buying and occupying your main home
Posted on 2/8/11 at 1:06 pm to Springlake Tiger
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$50,000
After realtor fees and closing costs you'll clear ~20K.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 1:09 pm to Springlake Tiger
add in that 20k to your basis and subtract the 25k(6%) selling expense and you're at about break even
Posted on 2/8/11 at 2:29 pm to hawkeye007
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best of luck with a 50k profit in one year in the housing market.
Yeah, where exactly is said house? Did he say?
Posted on 2/8/11 at 2:29 pm to yellowfin
add to the fact that 20k spent on improvments mean nothing if your neighbors houses aren't selling.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 2:32 pm to hawkeye007
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add to the fact that 20k spent on improvments mean nothing if your neighbors houses aren't selling.
It certainly doesn't mean you can just tack that on to your purchase price and any and all potential buyers will just say "well of course, I now expect I will have to pay that on top of what you paid a year ago, in addition to the $50,000 additional gain you're looking to get."
Posted on 2/8/11 at 2:37 pm to hawkeye007
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add to the fact that 20k spent on improvments mean nothing if your neighbors houses aren't selling
Let's just say I got a good deal on this place. Uptown New Orleans housing market is doing just fine. Location is pretty awesome. I know there are costs associated with the sale of a home. I have sold 2 in the last 4 years. Did for sale by owner too. I do understand that my best case scenario in New Orleans would be to pay a commission to a buyer's agent if I listed without an agent.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 2:44 pm to Springlake Tiger
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Let's just say I got a good deal on this place.
That good deal was the market value for the house at the time of the sale.
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Uptown New Orleans housing market is doing just fine
Uptown is down 2% y-o-y according to what I see online. You on the other hand feel your property has appreciated 9%-10% over the same period.
This post was edited on 2/8/11 at 2:45 pm
Posted on 2/8/11 at 2:49 pm to Springlake Tiger
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I have sold 2 in the last 4 years. Did for sale by owner too.
Seems like you are remarkably ignorant of the basics for this to be true.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 3:11 pm to Tiger JJ
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Seems like you are remarkably ignorant of the basics for this to be true.
no, sold house one in 2007 after I lived in it for 26 months. then sold house two in july 2010 after 3 years. so no taxes as I sold both for more than I purchased them for. $50,000 profit on house 1 and $10,000 on house 2.
Posted on 2/8/11 at 3:16 pm to Martavius
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That good deal was the market value for the house at the time of the sale.
I bought the house before it was even listed on the market. It had been overpriced as it was listed at $500,000 in late 2009. It was taken off the market b/c of this. My agent shared an office with the seller's agent and called me before it was listed. So the market said that $500,000 was too much for this house but was unable to react to what I paid.
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Uptown is down 2% y-o-y according to what I see online. You on the other hand feel your property has appreciated 9%-10% over the same period.
There are submarkets within Uptown. My submarket is up. Thanks for researching though.
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