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re: BOIL has become predictable
Posted on 1/27/14 at 7:38 am to cajunatc
Posted on 1/27/14 at 7:38 am to cajunatc
UNG down in premarket, placed order for Feb 24-28 bull call spread for a buck.
I didn't get the July bear puts as low as I could have, but I would expect this trade to deteriorate all through the winter and spring anyway.
The weeklies always have Friday expiration. Interesting for those that watch the Thursday reports.
I didn't get the July bear puts as low as I could have, but I would expect this trade to deteriorate all through the winter and spring anyway.
The weeklies always have Friday expiration. Interesting for those that watch the Thursday reports.
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Posted on 1/30/14 at 12:44 pm to Iowa Golfer
Strange reaction with respect to the pricing of the tracking ETF's to the supply.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 12:55 pm to Iowa Golfer
Yes.......very much so
Posted on 1/30/14 at 1:24 pm to L S Usetheforce
Yeah interesting movement. Luckily I'm on the right side today. 
Posted on 1/30/14 at 2:24 pm to slackster
I've continued to buy KOLD. Cost basis now at $46. Unbelievable how it reached 36 and change.
Posted on 1/30/14 at 2:55 pm to TheBigHurt
Ridiculous I took my wifes 401k and bought and got her 1000 @ 37 shares she made more today than all of last quarter. hahaha
This post was edited on 1/30/14 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 1/30/14 at 3:47 pm to L S Usetheforce
Impressive 401k if you can buy leveraged ETFs in it. I'd imagine you meant her IRA, no?
Posted on 1/30/14 at 3:54 pm to slackster
Sorry 401k rollover to fidelity.
Posted on 2/4/14 at 1:53 pm to Iowa Golfer
What's the cheapest July 14 puts to load up on today? 25's look promising?
Posted on 2/6/14 at 4:58 pm to sneakytiger
At this point I'm considering $20 puts given how cheap they seem to be. UNG, bot BOIL. I don't like what BOIL owns, and sure don't like their pricey options. Selling some $60 July calls could prove exciting though.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 8:42 am to Iowa Golfer
I'm looking at shorting natural gas (using an ETF) in anticipation of it dropping $0.50 or more in the next two months. Should I go with KOLD, DGAZ, or something else?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:36 am to NOTORlOUSD
You are apparently about 2 weeks too late.......maybe wait till midweek to see what happens
I bought 2000 shares of Kold at 37.46 two weeks ago.........
DGAZ is a 3x multiplier and way more risky but if you want a short jump thats probably your play if you like to gamble.
I bought 2000 shares of Kold at 37.46 two weeks ago.........
DGAZ is a 3x multiplier and way more risky but if you want a short jump thats probably your play if you like to gamble.
This post was edited on 2/10/14 at 9:37 am
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:47 am to PropofoLSU
We should see a dip in KOLD (Double short Nat Gas) and DGAZ (Triple short Nat Gas) this afternoon or tomorrow morning due to winter storm. I believe you are in a good entry point anywhere below $40 for KOLD and below $3 for DGAZ. Once it warms up and less gas is used for heating, supply should catch up with demand and we should see profits. I'm pretty heavy in KOLD and have dollar cost average down to $46. Interested in buying some DGAZ if it gets below $3 target.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 11:42 am to TheBigHurt
I feel like the market has already factored in the cold snap tomorrow and views warming temps later in the week as the light at the end of the tunnel. A major cold snap in late Feb or early March would be needed to send it back up.
I was originally planning to wait until tomorrow or Wednesday, but I decided to jump on DGAZ this morning at 4.21. It has jumped 10% since then!
I'm trying to decide now how tight to keep my stop order.
I was originally planning to wait until tomorrow or Wednesday, but I decided to jump on DGAZ this morning at 4.21. It has jumped 10% since then!
I'm trying to decide now how tight to keep my stop order.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 4:28 pm to NOTORlOUSD
I think the market has priced in contango and backwardation of the holdings of both BOIL and UNG. BOIL and UNG are only what they own, and they don't own natural gas. They own futures. Specifically BOIL which owns out to April. I've never understood the infatuation with BOIL this late in the winter due this this alone. At least UNG only owns next months contracts.
My February UNG bull call spread will likely not be as profitable due to this. My July UNG bear put spread still has a chance to make decent money.
You guys do what you want, but both BOIL and UNG are really designed for day trades, and I'd not ever own the paper long term.
My February UNG bull call spread will likely not be as profitable due to this. My July UNG bear put spread still has a chance to make decent money.
You guys do what you want, but both BOIL and UNG are really designed for day trades, and I'd not ever own the paper long term.
Posted on 2/10/14 at 6:14 pm to Iowa Golfer
What are you holding on the other side of your July 14 bear put spread trade?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 7:32 pm to sneakytiger
quote:
What are you holding on the other side of your July 14 bear put spread trade?
I'm not sure what you're asking me here?
Posted on 2/10/14 at 9:33 pm to Iowa Golfer
You said you bought July puts, so what did you sell? Maybe I misinterpreted your term "spread trade".
Posted on 2/11/14 at 7:31 am to sneakytiger
quote:
You said you bought July puts, so what did you sell? Maybe I misinterpreted your term "spread trade".
Sold 18, bought 20 & 23 in unequal amounts.
Posted on 2/11/14 at 8:25 am to PropofoLSU
quote:
I bought 2000 shares of Kold at 37.46 two weeks ago.........
I got in right around 35 but only bought a few shares. when do you plan on selling, PropofoLSU?
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